Net Zero Rollback

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes.

Ever think what we are leaving for them ?

 

[aveatry]

So a minority of people aged between 18 and 49 think global warming is exaggerated (less than 20% overall going by that).

But even that isn't meaningful, as whether it is real or not is not up to the public. Would you rather trust the public or 1000s of experts on issues like this.
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your stupid cartoon has nothing to do with climate change

 

[wobs]

your stupid cartoon has nothing to do with climate change

It addresses your post about public opinion.

 

[Munroast]

It could even be a fad we are going through, a moment in life where we all agree about climate change and sign up to it for 15 to 20 years then find out its not working and all we are getting is expensive bills and a massive hindrance to everyday life then just let it go for another 20 years then jump onto it again.

Climate change through burning fossil fuels is very real, we have known about it for decades, the only thing the scientists have got wrong is it is happening quicker than they predicted.
In an ideal world we should globally stop using fossil fuels today - but in the real world that is never going to happen

With the likes of Drill Baby Drill running the worlds biggest ecconomy - I'm not really sure we should be disadvantaging ourselves just to say we are doing the right thing - may be the wise move would be starting to plan with whats coming (millions of refugees for starters and more wars than trump could throw a stick at)

We're heading for self destruction - so lets make the most of today

 

[aveatry]

It addresses your post about public opinion.

You do make a lot of sense here though - I agree with it all apart from the last bit

Insulating homes improves quality of life, but generally has little effect on carbon emissions. In fact it can make things worse in many cases.

Jevons Paradox tells us that the more efficient we make something, the more energy we consume in the long run.

This can play out in a number of ways:
Insulate the houses, and people have their heating on warmer, so they use about the same amount of gas
Insulate homes, and they use less gas, thus saving money. Now they spend that money on other things (eg. stuff made in China, or a holiday abroad...)
Insulate homes, and they use less gas, thus saving money. Now more people can afford to use heating, so gas use increases. (This is how LEDs have lead to more energy used in lighting worldwide).
Insulate homes, and they use less gas, thus saving money. And the macro economic effect of people saving money on heating means that the economy gets a boost, as they are spending on other things, but also the cost of installing the improvements are good for the economy. So we emit more carbon.
Insulate homes, and they use less gas, thus saving money. People put the money into the bank to save it - and the bank lends the money to someone else, which results in a boost to the economy, and more carbon emissions.

One way to get around this is carbon taxes.

 

[Londoner2]

Climate change through burning fossil fuels is very real, we have known about it for decades, the only thing the scientists have got wrong is it is happening quicker than they predicted.
In an ideal world we should globally stop using fossil fuels today - but in the real world that is never going to happen

With the likes of Drill Baby Drill running the worlds biggest ecconomy - I'm not really sure we should be disadvantaging ourselves just to say we are doing the right thing - may be the wise move would be starting to plan with whats coming (millions of refugees for starters and more wars than trump could throw a stick at)

We're heading for self destruction - so lets make the most of today

Yes its real but our contribution to world emission is about 1% yes very very high, high enough to justify high costs and stifle industry.

 

[SPLINE]

Global warming is a massive con.

 

[Notch7]

Global warming is a massive con.

says Richard Tice, who is funded by the oil industry

 

[Notch7]

justify high costs and stifle industry.

is that true though?

 

[Londoner2]

is that true though?

Green tech should be a choice and not forced onto people, period. Take Khan for an example, because central govt has cut grants to TFL , he has enacted many anti car policies in conjunction with councils to rinse the motorist to make up for his budget shortfall and fund vanity projects This has made very difficult to move around and you now find traffic fighting against each other and ius being replicated all acros cities in teh UK

 

[Notch7]

Wholesale gas prices was on the up after covid end of 2021 and boosted during Russian invasion, however they have come down drastically since.

you are trying to argue that the high prices of energy we pay is due to net zero

but the evidence doesnt show that

the evidence shows the price of our domestic energy bills rocketed in 2022 due to the price of fossil fuels and hasnt come down because of hedging and risk which is keeping prices higher despite the fall in wholesale prices




so the current high price of gas and electricity is due of fossil fuel prices not renewable energy

Why Are Energy Prices So High? Are They Going Up? | Bionic

We look at why energy prices have been increasing and ask will they ever come back down? Will a price cap rise affect businesses? And what can you do to save money?

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[aveatry]

Green tech should be a choice and not forced onto people, period. Take Khan for an example, because central govt has cut grants to TFL , he has enacted many anti car policies in conjunction with councils to rinse the motorist to make up for his budget shortfall and fund vanity projects This has made very difficult to move around and you now find traffic fighting against each other

If the world is "burning" "existential threat to the human race" ETC then why the heck are we being charged VAT on all the measures we can do to install carbon saving stuff in our homes and also extra luxury car tax on EV cars. --- That is the scam -- feel scammed yet. -

 

[Londoner2]

Some recent studies show that even the kids today are turning off from it all - despite the constant brainwashing since primary school

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"Today 15 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds said the climate change threat had been exaggerated and 20 per cent of voters aged between 25 and 49"

We all should be educated about it, be aware of it and make our own decision, but it should not be forced onto people/industry

 

[Londoner2]

you are trying to argue that the high prices of energy we pay is due to net zero

but the evidence doesnt show that

the evidence shows the price of our domestic energy bills rocketed in 2022 due to the price of fossil fuels and hasnt come down because of hedging and risk which is keeping prices higher despite the fall in wholesale prices




so the current high price of gas and electricity is due of fossil fuel prices not renewable energy

Why Are Energy Prices So High? Are They Going Up? | Bionic

We look at why energy prices have been increasing and ask will they ever come back down? Will a price cap rise affect businesses? And what can you do to save money?

bionic.co.uk

Green taxes/levies does form a part of the high costs, add up to £140 on total bill, been going on for years.

Im speaking from the common man point of view.

 

[Notch7]

, he has enacted many anti car policies in conjunction with councils

thats not quite as it seems

the policies were also supported by the Conservative government:

(note this letter shared on social media is true, however the letter was in regard to extending the boundary to the extent of the South and North circular roads not greater London, so its true Sadiq Khan extended somewhat beyond the scope set by Conservatives

I would also point out that the measures Sadiq Khan put in place were also working towards the targets set by the Conservative govt in their Clean Air Strategy

Clean Air Strategy 2019

This strategy sets out our plans for dealing with all sources of air pollution, making our air healthier to breathe, protecting nature and boosting the economy.

www.gov.uk