Omicron variant caught a cold

[motorbiking]

I see you're not hesitant in a bit of dishonest reporting neither.
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Yes France's death rate is steadily increasing. (but still well below that of UK.)
but so is UK's death rate steadily increasing:

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Both illustrations from your links.

That is Total deaths. It’s not possible for that line to ever reduce. You need to look at the daily deaths graph.

 

[motorbiking]

I repeat what I said earlier, lifeboats are not only allowed to operate in other country's waters to effect a rescue, they are legally obliged to do so.
Proof that a lifeboat enters international water, or the waters of another country proves zilch.
But your reference to a lifeboat shows the current position of that lifeboat to be stationary and ready for launch.
It proves only that the lifeboat is ready for operation.
Got any more useless bits of information?

please provide a link to the law that states life boats are legally obligated to launch for SARs ops in other territorial waters.

btw on the AIS tracker you need to look at the history. Not just current location.

 

[AngleEyes]

Well you constantly see evil , perhaps you need therapy. The effin numbers show what the effin numbers say they show.
Nothing else.
They are not purporting to show anything else. OKAY??
You constantly create straw men in your own head of someone out to deceive, ascribe them to someone else, then try to
ridicule them.

Yes my opinions in the other posts were only opinions. So what? Who the F are you to criticise for that? It's a discussion forum.
Your opinion is not special.

The forum is not here so YOU can make up crap about others.

When you have nothing to say, do yourself a favour and say nothing?

To intentionally crop illustrations, excluding relevant information that disproves your argument, or the misrepresent of data and make a mistaken argument, to support your incorrect theories is tantamount to supporting ill-informed propaganda.

No need to get your knickers in a twist because you've been exposed for your attempt at a con trick.

 

[AngleEyes]

That is Total deaths. It’s not possible for that line to ever reduce. You need to look at the daily deaths graph.

It is total deaths which the graph clearly shows as continuing to increase, which disproves your claim.
In addition a snapshot of a reduction in deaths over a day or two, if it happened, would be fallacious misrepresentation of the data.
It is known that reported data is occasionally not up-to-date and corrections have to be made at a later date. The typical weekend figures, being lower than normal and corrected on Monday or Tuesday is just one such example.
So please don't make assertions of long term trends based on snapshots of developing situations.

 

[AngleEyes]

please provide a link to the law that states life boats are legally obligated to launch for SARs ops in other territorial waters.

I have already provided such an international agreement that the nearest available boat should effect a rescue, irrespective of its nationality, or whoever waters it needs to enter to effect a rescue.
You know this already.
In addition the humanity of lifeboat crews means they don't worry about international borders when effecting rescues, if they are the nearest available to effect a rescue. For you to offload your political desires onto those crews, and over-ride their humanity is dangerous, disgusting and akin to intentional evil.

You're also using an ELFImpudence tactic of asking a carefully crafted loaded question designed to illicit an inappropriate binary response.

btw on the AIS tracker you need to look at the history. Not just current location.

Then present that history. You must have that history to make such an argument. Don't expect me to present evidence to disprove your argument that you made without evidence.

Although after your attempt to misinterpret the death trend of Covid victims, any evidence you now present will always be suspected to be misrepresentations.

 

[motorbiking]

It is total deaths which the graph clearly shows as continuing to increase, which disproves your claim.
In addition a snapshot of a reduction in deaths over a day or two, if it happened, would be fallacious misrepresentation of the data.
It is known that reported data is occasionally not up-to-date and corrections have to be made at a later date. The typical weekend figures, being lower than normal and corrected on Monday or Tuesday is just one such example.
So please don't make assertions of long term trends based on snapshots of developing situations.

You do understand that a graph showing the total, can never go down, even if there are zero cases for the next 5 years?

I repeat what I said earlier, lifeboats are not only allowed to operate in other country's waters to effect a rescue, they are legally obliged to do so.

Repeatedly wrong, then.

For the avoidance of doubt there is no legal obligation for a SARs vessel to launch to rescue anyone. The obligation is upon any vessel who is able to, to give assistance. SARs vessels have no special status and the RNLI operate with no special powers.

 

[AngleEyes]

You do understand that a graph showing the total, can never go down, even if there are zero cases for the next 5 years?

But if the graph continues to go up, it indicates that there are additions to the graph.
And if comparative graphs show the same trends, then the trends are the same. You do understand that, don't you?

For the avoidance of doubt there is no legal obligation for a SARs vessel to launch to rescue anyone. The obligation is upon the nearest vessel to give assistance. SARs vessels have no special status and the RNLI operate with no special powers.

For the avoidance of doubt, if a lifeboat (or any vessel) is the nearest vessel they would be expected to offer assistance irrespective of the nationality or the waters in which they are operating.
That is an international agreement.
Lifeboat crews are dedicated to saving and preserving life at sea, all lives matter. To expect them to cow-tow to your political ideology against refugees is obscene.

And you are still not providing any evidence to support your claims. The obvious assumption is that you don't have any.

 

[motorbiking]

How can a life boat in port be considered to be “at sea”. The channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. There will be dozens of vessels within a few miles of a migrant inflatable. It cannot be considered the best course of action for a vessel to scramble and passage 2 hours to assist, when there will be local vessels a few minutes away. Of course if it’s a coordinated taxi pick up, then it’s different.

 

[AngleEyes]

How can a life boat in port be considered to be “at sea”. The channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. There will be dozens of vessels within a few miles of a migrant inflatable. It cannot be considered the best course of action for a vessel to scramble and passage 2 hours to assist.

You're moving your argument.
You originally claimed that a UK lifeboat entered French waters to effect a rescue.
Now you've modified that to imply that a UK life boat was launched from rest to effect a rescue in French waters.

It doesn't matter because it doesn't dissolve the argument that the nearest vessel is expected to effect a rescue, especially if that vessel is also the most appropriate, in the circumstances. The fact that it is at rest is immaterial, if it is the nearest available and the most appropriate vessel to effect that rescue.
An argument that there is potentially another appropriate French vessel nearer is nonsense unless you can show that the other vessel was also available at the time.

You've provided nothing so far other than empty and pointless arguments based on your supposition and political ideology.

 

[sxturbo]

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[AngleEyes]

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Nice picture.
A snapshot of sea traffic in the channel at 11:06 today.
What is its relevance to this discussion?

 

[Justin Passing]

To intentionally crop illustrations, excluding relevant information that disproves your argument, or the misrepresent of data and make a mistaken argument, to support your incorrect theories is tantamount to supporting ill-informed propaganda.

No need to get your knickers in a twist because you've been exposed for your attempt at a con trick.

None of that is true. I have no interest in conning anyone.
I posted non-sensational material from a respectable site and you see it as a con because you see things which aren't there.
Your febrile mind is playing tricks with you.
I should go take a lie down, because you're posting excrement.

 

[motorbiking]

You're moving your argument.
You originally claimed that a UK lifeboat entered French waters to effect a rescue.
Now you've modified that to imply that a UK life boat was launched from rest to effect a rescue in French waters.

It doesn't matter because it doesn't dissolve the argument that the nearest vessel is expected to effect a rescue, especially if that vessel is also the most appropriate, in the circumstances. The fact that it is at rest is immaterial, if it is the nearest available and the most appropriate vessel to effect that rescue.
An argument that there is potentially another appropriate French vessel nearer is nonsense unless you can show that the other vessel was also available at the time.

You've provided nothing so far other than empty and pointless arguments based on your supposition and political ideology.

Here at the basics.
- a vessel in port, is not a vessel at see for the purposes of solas regs.
- a master is not the master of a vessel when he is not onboard the vessel and the vessel is in port.

There is no argument that a vessel in port has any obligation under solas.

it was you who said it was rumour that RNLI vessels were entering French waters as reported by the news and as confirmed by the RNLI. I find it odd that you would take this stance without any evidence or even (it would appear) the knowledge to track the movement of a vessel.

 

[ajohn]

LOL I found some info from the horses mouth
https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z...ts/daily-hospital-surveillance-datcov-report/

No wonder our medics are taking no notice of reports from there. Look next week is one aspect. They may also know how many hospitals could contribute.

 

[AngleEyes]

Here at the basics.
- a vessel in port, is not a vessel at see for the purposes of solas regs.
- a master is not the master of a vessel when he is not onboard the vessel and the vessel is in port.

Totally irrelevant to this discussion. We're talking about supposed past events, not what the regulations say.

There is no argument that a vessel in port has any obligation under solas.

A dedicated search and rescue organisation has a moral obligation to its benefactors to fulfil that mission to its best ability, irrespective of the solas regs.

it was you who said it was rumour that RNLI vessels were entering French waters as reported by the news and as confirmed by the RNLI.

It was not confirmed by the RLNI. you presented an open letter which did not confirm what you claimed it did.
Media is nearly always biased, and report what they think will excite their readers.
Until some evidence is presented to support your argument, and it hasn't been so far, it remains a rumour. A rumour promoted to satisfy a political ideology.

I find it odd that you would take this stance without any evidence or even (it would appear) the knowledge to track the movement of a vessel.

I find it odd that anyone would promote a rumour, without evidence and expect A N Other to find the evidence to disprove their unfounded rumour.
You can't prove a negative.

And still no evidence to support you rumour.