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Probation service to be renantionalised after another Grayling SNAFU

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by SirGalahad, 16 May 2019.

  1. SirGalahad

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    https://www.theguardian.com/society...fender-management-nationalised-chris-grayling

    The problem with the current horrible Tory party is that they are obsessed with privatisation and sale of public assets and services. Some areas contracting out can work but wholesale privatisation rarely if ever leads to improvements.

    The Tories and conservatives in general really have lost the narrative and are not coming up with new ideas - its small government, free markets, low tax and its failed again and again. Time for some new ideas before I ever consider voting Tory again.

    Vote Tory if you want to pay more for less. (y)
     
  2. ellal

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    Grayling must have something pretty explosive on Mayhem ;)
     
  3. EddieM

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    Even tories think Grayling is an idiot.
     
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    Somebody should alert donrkebab to this socialist move.
     
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    wotchewonabout
     
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    About having the Probation Service a publicly owned and run one, not a privately owned and run one.

    According to you that's socialism, isn't it?
     
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    This wasn't really privatisation, it was outsourcing. privatisation can work where there is a genuine ability for the providers to compete for business. Performance is driven by market forces. The good service, the Cr@p die. Where there is not ability to compete (e.g. the water industry) its just a way for pension and investment firms to make a buck. This was much more about outsourcing. There are almost certainly aspect of the service which can be outsourced providing lower cost and better service. However, this particular failure seems to be very much about the service governance surrounding the outsource. i.e. the contracting process.
     
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    Yet again someone tries to pretend there is a difference :rolleyes:
     
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    Perhaps you should try to understand it?
     
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    stil don't no wotchewonabout.
     
  11. ellal

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    I understand it...

    You obviously don't or choose not to :rolleyes:
     
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    Isn't the state owning/running things an aspect of socialism?
     
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    In North Korea it is. Do I get a prize for the correct answer.
     
  14. ban-all-sheds

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    If you'd like to claim that you are entitled for a prize for the correct answer then please do.

    That will mean that the state owning/running things is an aspect of socialism in North Korea, but not here, therefore here we can have the state owning/running things without it being socialism.

    In which case, how do you define socialism, and what is it about it which denies human nature and only works under a totalitarian regime like North Korea? Are there other things we could have which would be socialism in NK but not here?
     
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    Why the leftie assumption that the state is always the best option to run industry and public services? It's not necessarily so, just as wrong as saying that private businesses are the best option. Some services are beyond that. Probation is part of security, law and order and these should only be the responsibility of the government. These are the principal things we pay our taxes for and really, they should be the only things governments are concerned with.

    Modern governments are involved in too many trivialities and have forgotten their true purpose.
     
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