Quick check please guys

[ban-all-sheds]

"Probably less time than..." is a valid observation to make.

If you observe something, you note it - you don't say 'whilst I was observing, such and such probably happened, but I have no idea if it actually did or didn't'.

observation n a comment or remark.

Why are you accusing the IEE of not being sensible?

I'm not - I'm asking you if you think it would be a sensible design.

Why do you think the IEE OSG in not sensible?

Every time I ask you that question you evade it by asking one back at me.

Will you please do us all the courtesy of first answering the question you were first asked.

The IEE have deemed it to be long enough. Hence their explicit guidance on the matter in App. 8 and Table 1A of their OSG.

I suggest you float the idea of a 16A cooker circuit on the IET forum, and see what opinions you get.

Do you have any empirical evidence regarding the actual current whilst a cooker is switched on and then every function is turned on?

No.

Do you?

So, for a circuit which complies with the Design criteria of App. 4 and the requirements of Chap. 1 to 6 of BS7671 and complies with the explicit guidance of App. 8 ch.8.4 and App.1 Table 1A (diversity) of the IEE OSG, you would give a Code 2 on a report which you have signed to declare has been carried out in compliance with BS7671?

Yes - applying diversity for an individual circuit is not compulsory.

Which comment or observation would you associate with the Code 2?

That 16A is inadequate for a cooker circuit.

 

[FingRinal]

"Probably less time than..." is a valid observation to make.

If you observe something, you note it - you don't say 'whilst I was observing, such and such probably happened, but I have no idea if it actually did or didn't'.

observation n a comment or remark.

The context is scientific - nice try!!! However, if you wish to stick to your guns, then your answer is gibberish within an engineering or scientific context.

Every time I ask you that question you evade it by asking one back at me.

I've already answered earlier in the thread. It's not my fault you haven't read or have chosen to ignore it.

[The IEE have deemed it to be long enough. Hence their explicit guidance on the matter in App. 8 and Table 1A of their OSG.

I suggest you float the idea of a 16A cooker circuit on the IET forum, and see what opinions you get.

I wasn't aware that the IET Forum were responsible for the official output of the IEE. Besides, there's no point. You wouldn't be able to join in as you're banned from there, aren't you?

Do you have any empirical evidence regarding the actual current whilst a cooker is switched on and then every function is turned on?

No.

I thought not.

So, for a circuit which complies with the Design criteria of App. 4 and the requirements of Chap. 1 to 6 of BS7671 and complies with the explicit guidance of App. 8 ch.8.4 and App.1 Table 1A (diversity) of the IEE OSG, you would give a Code 2 on a report which you have signed to declare has been carried out in compliance with BS7671?

Yes - applying diversity for an individual circuit is not compulsory.

Compulsory and reasonable to expect it to be applied are two different things. To use such an argument is really quite churlish.

Which comment or observation would you associate with the Code 2?

That 16A is inadequate for a cooker circuit.

For such an obtuse answer I can only deduce that your are working to BAS7671, don't exist in the real business world, don't do it for a living, have never done it for a living, have never engaged in a client-supplier business relationship etc. or are being deliberatley obdurate.

The cooker in question is a 6.2kW cooker.

Anyway, you seem to have hijacked another thread so I'll leave it there. Feel free to have the last rant - I know you will

 

[ban-all-sheds]

The context is scientific - nice try!!! However, if you wish to stick to your guns, then your answer is gibberish within an engineering or scientific context.

My comment was a perfectly valid response to what conny wrote.

Will you please explain why you think it was incomprehensible or nonsense, or apologise for your abuse.

I've already answered earlier in the thread. It's not my fault you haven't read or have chosen to ignore it.

I've read everything you've written here, and you have not answered it.

You've responded to it, but you have not answered it.

I wasn't aware that the IET Forum were responsible for the official output of the IEE.

They're not. I just suggested that it might me interesting to see what opinions were voiced there.

Besides, there's no point. You wouldn't be able to join in as you're banned from there, aren't you?

Can you explain why that is relevant to this discussion?

Do you have any empirical evidence regarding the actual current whilst a cooker is switched on and then every function is turned on?

No.

I thought not.

Fine.

Do you?

Compulsory and reasonable to expect it to be applied are two different things. To use such an argument is really quite churlish.

Will you please explain why expressing an opinion that it's not compulsory to apply diversity is rude or surly, or apologise for your abuse?

Anyway, you seem to have hijacked another thread so I'll leave it there.

I've hijacked nothing - I've behaved calmly and rationally, and asked and answered questions in a civil manner.

You have responded with abuse and insults - you've accused me of writing gibberish, of being rude, surly, mentally slow, emotionally insensitive etc.

Feel free to have the last rant - I know you will

Calmly and civilly objecting to your insults and asking for apologies is not ranting.,