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Rear extension on Neighbour scheme refused

Discussion in 'Building Regulations and Planning Permission' started by burts, 26 Feb 2019.

  1. burts

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    I proposed a rear extension. 6m x 4m wide. Never heard nothing and then today on the deadline day at 4:00pm I got an email, containing a PDF document stating it’s been refused.
    One sode of the extension was joining on to my detached garage wall. It was refused on the basis it would be classed as a side extension and wouldn’t meet PD due to the width being more than half the width of original house. How is this a side extension? Also is emailing classed as notifying in writing?
    They are assuming I open emails everyday and that the devices I use support PDF format.
    What I’m getting at there is if I say I’ve not received an email, and it’s nowpasy 42 days, what happens next?
     
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    Think it'll be the attaching to your detached garage that is causing the problem. Check the PD rules and try again.
    As for going ahead on the grounds of late notification I'd be wary- unless you've set your email client up properly it will have sent a Read notification to the sender so you claiming not to have received it could be disputed quite easily. Email is deemed acceptable for many transactions these days, have a read (again) of your council's planning policies, you'll probably find a clause about email notifications in there along with a link to Acrobat Reader (in case you didn't already have a copy)
     
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    Yes it is because it’s forming with the Garage. So annoying to say the least. Is it ever known for them to overlook the this on an appeal. The extension is between 2 garages and no neighbours can even see it.
    I read thee email at 6:00pm. They would gone home by then so surely I can mark it as unread?
    Oh well! Nothings ever easy is it
     
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    Low odds, very clear in the policies.
    Marking as unread won't unsend a read receipt. Have you emailed anything to the council as part of this process- if you have then you have probably implicitly accepted email as 'written notification' and thus are, as they say, sh*t out of luck
     
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    I will see what they say tomorrow. The same woman who was in charge of my case told me in an email that I could build off the garage wall which is the whole reason I didn’t look too much in to that.
    Read receipts have to be requested and accepted, and are no sure way knowing I read it. Will see what they say.
    Wouldn’t be the first time I was sh** out of luck.

    All my previous correspondence has been via email so probably the case. Oh wel!
     
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    Ah, well not all is lost- since email is 'official notification' then that email from the woman in charge of your case could be quite important. Ask them why it has been rejected, if (as expected) they say because of the link to garage then send them a copy of that email & start making noises about maladministration, ombudsman, audit commission, planning inspectorate, department not fit for purpose etc etc.
     
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    Yes I will do indeed.
     
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    As you are trying to beat the system by lying I would say it was justice rather than luck.
     
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    If your proposed extension is physically attatched to an existing detached building, it could never have been permitted development.
    Even if they had never notified you within the 42-day period, you would not have received approval to build it 'by default'.
     
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    Why is he a cretin? Permitted Development exists for a reason and has limitations for a reason. Your plans go over the limits and are therefore not permitted. Just because you almost got away with it, it doesn't change anything. You are not able to legally build what you want to build.
     
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    Because he is trolling me being a keyboard warrior. He did have to get involved and start tellljng me nonsense.
    I’ve tried beating no system
    I got pre planning advice, showed the same woman who refused it what I wish to do and she was the one who told me I could do it.
     
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    Well I am no keyboard warrior and have never have no idea who you are and have no history with you. But on reading your thread it sounds to me like maybe you were mislead in the beginning on what is or isn't permitted development but ultimately what you want to do is not permitted development so it seems I agree it is more justice than luck. Rules are in place for a reason to protect all of us.
     
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    Call it what you will but you had the brass neck to state here that you were intending to mislead the planning dept about when you actually received / read the refusal email. To me, attempting to cheat the system is dishonest and I am calling you out for it.
     
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    Brass neck.... you must be a notherner. Calling me out.... next you’ll be taking me on the JK show.
    I think receiving an email 1 hour before the last working day is over takes the pi ss, so yeah I was going to say I’ve not seen it. Who really cares because they certainly don’t when it comes to bull shi ting.
    I’m not fussed about it being Justice because it’s clearly not allowed what I require. Just don’t send me an email saying it is, wait all 42 days to tell me it isn’t..... Yeah so for that reason I couldn’t care less about lying.

    Long story short, she admits she was wrong and if I submit a new full plans application it’s going through.

    Thanks for guiding me down the Moral highway though.
     
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    And thank you for admitting that you are essentially a dishonest person and act like a simpering ninny when someone hands you a mirror.
     
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