Refurbing a Twyfords Syphonic Loo

[JohnD]

plumbers are sometimes like that.

BTW a price of 999,99 might mean "out of stock, please don't order it" but if you ring they might explain

There are a few specialists in old sanitaryware. The name "brokenbog" comes to mind. And dcolesupplies.com. And Nic Sproston.

These are old contacts, might not still be trading.

Have you sent your photos to Thomas Dudley?

 

[PullerGas]

plumbers are sometimes like that.

BTW a price of 999,99 might mean "out of stock, please don't order it" but if you ring they might explain

There are a few specialists in old sanitaryware. The name "brokenbog" comes to mind. And dcolesupplies.com. And Nic Sproston.

These are old contacts, might not still be trading.

Have you sent your photos to Thomas Dudley?

Yeah, you'd be far better with a Google warrior than someone with experience, training, knowledge & skill.

 

[oilboffin]

Yup

 

[Nige F]

Mm lunns have the plate but it's priced at £999.99

The original plate will be fine , the syphon, bomb, donut washer and end of the bomb washer are the important parts because they need to seal properly and control the vacuum that works the pan.

 

[superstardeejay]

Thank you for a sensible answer Nigel and JohnD.
After another tedious trawl about on the net I've found that the triangular plate is a twyford 'adapter'. It seems my 'Brampton' cistern isn't the one originally designed for the pan. The old one would have had 4 holes drilled in the bottom of the cistern to match the ones on the pan. It's then bolted straight through with rubber cone washers under the water to seal everything. A doughnut seals the flush. Twyfords later supplied a standard cistern with the adapter plate I have that engages with the rear holes only to fasten the new cistern down.
Oddly enough there are 2 other topics on the forum about exactly the same thing from about 6 or 7 years ago, though they don't show on a forum search, only when I did a picture search on google.
Several online old parts specialists show my new Dudley S7 syphon & aspirator as the correct replacement part for these old loos. That bit is luck rather than judgement on my behalf.

 

[JohnD]

Yeah, you'd be far better off with someone willing to give a helpful and informative answer, than with some bored old ******* out for a laugh with his mates.

Yup.

 

[PullerGas]

Yeah, you'd be far better off with someone willing to give a helpful and informative answer, than with some bored old ******* out for a laugh with his mates.

Yup.

Tony is just getting off the Bus & will be here directly.

Granted we do get a laff at the expense of the DaftyDIYers, but our entertainment is 10 fold by the antics of the Google Warriors, course cowboys, chancers & a certain ex-BBC employee.

 

[Hugh Jaleak]

I'll second Nige's post above. It is vital the smaller domed washer on the aspirator tail is an airtight fit to seal the hole into the middle trap, or the thing simply wont work. Clean the mating face where the aspirator washer needs to sit, and I found it best to sit the washer on the end of the aspirator tail, and lower the cistern etc. gently back onto the pan, so the washer is gently pushed up the tail, so when tight, seals correctly.

I had 2 Royal Doulton double trap syphonic pans here when I moved in. Upstairs was 'Pampas' got skipped as no one wanted it. Downstairs was white, sadly broke when I tried to prise it off the floor in order to reuse it once the room was rebuilt.

 

[superstardeejay]

Thanks 'huge'. The old aspirator mini doughnut seal was floating about in bits and when I touched it, it dissolved into sticky blobs of black mush that threatened to stain the carpet. It's a wonder it ever flushed at all like that. I'd worked out how to gauge the depth of the new one. And I've already descaled & cleaned all mating faces with cillit bang lime n grime (good stuff) then a polish with a brillo pad. Just waiting for the aspirator kit to arrive. It'll be riding around with our post woman as she only likes to deliver a couple of times a week if she has alot of shopping to do.

 

[oilboffin]

Oh sir dick by ex BBC employee do you mean Roger by chance he's well off the tree now.Bob

 

[superstardeejay]

Back on topic, here's the result of my toils. I may have to wait a while before it gets a real test but that quilted paper is a devil to get down at the best of times.

 

[Nige F]

That looks spot on

 

[Hugh Jaleak]

Appears top be doing exactly as it should. Result.

 

[Steelmasons]

Good job although the rubber seal doesn't appear to be completely airtight.
The water in the pan should immediately lower when flush is activated.