Removing my half of chimney stack ;

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I've always had the intention to remove my chimney breasts from ground and 1st floor and support the loft breast and stack with steels, so I got struc calcs done and give my neighbour a party wall notice about 6 weeks ago. I’ve been stripping my roof today for a re roof and I’ve seen my stack is a mess so I just wanted to know if I was ok to remove my side of the stack and then make good with the neighbours side by toothing in the brickwork and probably using red K rend on the side to neaten it up. Question is can I crack on with this or do I need to serve another party wall notice mentioning the new works. I think I read somewhere that work to your own stack doesn't need a party wall agreement or notice??
I’ve told her on txt msg I plan to remove half of mine, I just wanted to know my legal standing before I did.

I’ve also worked out the slenderness ratio and it’s well within the limits, it’s not a big stack at all.
 
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It's problematic as the flue location and design mean it's not as simple as taking down half the stack. You tend to need to rebuild it wholly on the party wall and not just to half way. So then who owns and is responsible for that bit across the boundary?

The work also needs a HETAS or Gas Safe certificate. And your OP did not mention building regulation approval.

Toothing is not an acceptable method of reinstatement, and often the stack needs to be rebuilt. Which then brings in treatment of the flues.
 
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I think I read somewhere that work to your own stack doesn't need a party wall agreement or notice??
It does.
Have a read here, in particular the 6th and 7th paragraphs...
Exactly - ' Unlike removing the whole of a chimney stack, removing just half of it is notifiable under the Party Wall Act as masonry will be cut away from the party wall '.
 
So I’ve gave my neighbour a party wall structure notice last week soon as I realised the brickwork on my side is unstable, it is bowing out about 35mm, the flauncing is cracked etc. I’m not using my chimney breasts so I want to completely remove it instead of re building. Neighbours side is just as bad, I’ve suggested taking the full stack below roof level and just rebuilding his new, I just said he could pay a day rate for a bricklayer and il supply materials and scaffold access.
Where do I stand with the “waiting 2months”
Im doing a full roof rebuild with dormer so my roof is currently stripped, I need to work on the stack right now, every day is a delay. I’ve had no reply from the neighbour either
If the stack was in ok condition I’d re do the flauncing and re point and just keep it but I really don’t want to rebuild something that I don’t need. From a design aspect having the breasts gone from the loft space is massive.
Like I said in the first post, I’ve provided drawings for the slenderness ratio.
 
A chimney is not a PW structure and is not covered by the Act. No notice is required for the portion above the tiles.
The party wall stops below the tiles.
 
A chimney is not a PW structure and is not covered by the Act. No notice is required for the portion above the tiles.
The party wall stops below the tiles.

So am I ok to remove my half then straight away
 
So am I ok to remove my half then straight away

The PWA may not apply, but that not to say you can just take half a stack down.

You should get the neighbours agreement, and put the things in place I mentioned earlier. Just working on the flue if you are not qualified is a very serious matter, you don't want to be gassing the neighbour from the work on the flues, damaging the neighbour's property without permission and agreement, or risk a claim or an injunction.
 
@^woody^ The information provided on the link stated the following...

“Because removing a shared stack is not a right under the Party Wall etc. Act 1996 no notice is required.”

“Unlike removing the whole of a chimney stack, removing just half of it is notifiable under the Party Wall Act...”


So is that wrong?
 
@^woody^ The information provided on the link stated the following...

“Because removing a shared stack is not a right under the Party Wall etc. Act 1996 no notice is required.”

“Unlike removing the whole of a chimney stack, removing just half of it is notifiable under the Party Wall Act...”


So is that wrong?

It's badly worded. I've not read the link, who wrote it a lawyer?

The party wall, along with the Act stops at the top of the party wall - ie the place where there is no longer a wall dividing two parties.

The chimney stack is not a party wall nor is there a party wall within the stack.
 
'Unlike removing the whole of a chimney stack, removing just half of it is notifiable under the Party Wall Act as masonry will be cut away from the party wall within and that party wall will be exposed to the elements where it was hitherto enclosed (both are rights provided by section 2(2) of the Act). A Party Structure Notice should be served at least 2 months prior to the works commencing.' -quote.
The chimney stack is not a party wall nor is there a party wall within the stack.
That is not what the quote above seems to state :!:
 
Might as well include the whole article :-



Home > Building Defects > Repairing or Removing Shared Chimney Stacks

Repairing or Removing Shared Chimney Stacks
Friday, 25th November 2016 | by: Justin Burns
We looked at typical defects to chimney stacks on the blog a few years ago so today I wanted to cover a related topic – what the legal responsibilities of the owners are when it is a shared chimney stack that has been affected.

Chimneys tend to be more exposed to the weather than other parts of a property and therefore prone to defects such as eroded pointing, spalled brickwork and cracked flaunching. When repairing defects of this type, providing safe access by means of scaffolding or a cherry picker will make up a significant proportion of the cost. For this reason there are obvious benefits in the whole of a defective shared stack being repaired at the same time but as each owner is responsible for the maintenance of their half neither can force the other to participate.

Shared chimney stacks are not ‘party’ i.e. the two owners do not have rights over the whole structure – there is likely to be a party wall within the stack separating the flues of the two owners but that is not normally the defective element as it is protected from the weather.

That is all fairly straightforward but it gets more complicated when one or both of the owners decide to remove the stack entirely; either because the defect is significant or as part of loft conversion works. Obviously, chimney stacks are only removed when the connected fireplaces are no longer in use.

The whole of a shared stack can only be removed if both owners are in agreement – if it is on account of defect the cost will generally be split but if it is being done as part of improvement works to one property the owner benefitting from those works will generally carry the cost. Because removing a shared stack is not a right under the Party Wall etc. Act 1996 no notice is required. Having said that, if it is being done as part of a project that is otherwise covered by the Act the appointed surveyors will tend to include it in their discussions (if not in the award) and possibly agree the details of how the adjoining owner’s roof structure and covering are made good.

If one of the owners does not want the stack removed it is still possible for the other owner to remove their ‘half’ but that gives rise to further complications.

Unlike removing the whole of a chimney stack, removing just half of it is notifiable under the Party Wall Act as masonry will be cut away from the party wall within and that party wall will be exposed to the elements where it was hitherto enclosed (both are rights provided by section 2(2) of the Act). A Party Structure Notice should be served at least 2 months prior to the works commencing.

The party wall surveyors will consider 2 key factors:

The Slenderness Ratio

Tall slender structures are vulnerable to the wind and can deflect in extreme conditions. This is covered in Approved Document A of the Building Regulations. The height of the remaining section of chimney stack, as measured from its intersection with the roof, should be no more than 4.5 times its width provided that the density of the masonry is at least 1500kg/m3 (London stocks are approx. 1850kg/m3).

Making Good the Remainder of the Stack

The newly exposed party wall within the stack will need to be either pointed or rendered to protect it from the weather. If the stack is visible from the front of the property pointing would be the preferred option as it’s more attractive but it’s also very time consuming to remove the cut bricks from the front and rear and tooth in replacements.

If rendering, any residual soot should first be removed and stainless steel stop beads used to the corners to achieve a neat finish.

The works can only commence once the appointed surveyors have agreed and served the party wall award which will also cover details of any access required.

On period properties the surveyors would normally request that a CCTV survey of the adjoining owner’s flues is undertaken prior to the work and again afterwards to ensure they have not been compromised. It would also be prudent to temporarily seal any open flues within the adjoining owner’s property; even if they have been swept regularly there’s a good chance that vibration caused by the works could loosen dust and debris clinging to the sides of the flue.

If you have an issue with a shared chimney stack that you would like to discuss with our surveyors you are welcome to contact us by email or on 020 7183 2578


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