Replacing a pendant light with a new LED light Help!

[KOD0710]

Anyone able to give me some advice, trying to wire up a new LED light for a family member. They have removed an old pendant light fitting with Live, neutral and loop connections. They have removed the old light already and have removed the two gang two way switch aswell because they couldn’t get it to work. I’m trying to make heads and tails of this, I would on lighting circuit everyday but this has got me stumped. Anyone able to point me in the right direction. Thanks

 

[blup]

I would use wander lead to test continuity of the neutrals snd switched lives, marking which related to which circuit (power off). The respective lives should be apparent from the cable they are in. Then wire up the led using wagos as the space inside the fitting is likely to be too narrow for a rose.

 

[SUNRAY]

First things first;

Do you have any test equipment?

Is this a bathroom or somewhere with fan or perhaps a second light operated by the same switch?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

You need some sort of continuity tester, preferably one which makes a noise, to first identify which cables go to which other locations - with the power off. Make up drawing, then from that, you ought to be able to reverse engineer it.

Why ever did they remove the switches?

 

[SUNRAY]

You need some sort of continuity tester, preferably one which makes a noise, to first identify which cables go to which other locations - with the power off. Make up drawing, then from that, you ought to be able to reverse engineer it.

Why ever did they remove the switches?

Yes it is silly as it was presumably working correctly before the light change was started. It's something I encountered several times though.

However replacing the switch is likely to be simple. I'd even have a go at making a prediction with the information already before us but I'd prefer to get the light end sorted first.

Take a picture of the wiring as the other switch of the pair and post it here please.

 

[FrodoOne]

Anyone able to give me some advice, trying to wire up a new LED light for a family member. They have removed an old pendant light fitting with Live, neutral and loop connections. They have removed the old light already and have removed the two gang two way switch as well because they couldn’t get it to work. I’m trying to make heads and tails of this, I would on lighting circuit everyday but this has got me stumped.

Further to the advice that already been given to you,
what do you mean by "removed the two gang two way switch as well"

Presumably, there are Two Switches on a single Wall-Plate.
What does (should) EACH one control.

You wrote "two way switch".
However, does this mean that they were working to control "devices" from two locations
or
were they just "normal" Single Pole Double Throw (SPDT) switches -
with a "Common" (C) plus L1 and L2 connections,
with only L1 connected in each case?

 

[SUNRAY]

Further to the advice that already been given to you,
what do you mean by "removed the two gang two way switch as well"

Presumably, there are Two Switches on a single Wall-Plate.
What does (should) EACH one control.

You wrote "two way switch".
However, does this mean that they were working to control "devices" from two locations
or
were they just "normal" Single Pole Double Throw (SPDT) switches -
with a "Common" (C) plus L1 and L2 connections,
with only L1 connected in each case?

The picture says a lot Frodo.

 

[ericmark]

I start on ceiling rose with a count, 4 Brown, 2 Blue, 1, Black and 1 Grey so 4 cables, three are twin & earth and one triple & earth. So next is a guess, what can they be for?

Feed in, supply to next rose, and switch run would explain the 3 x twin & earth. But where does the triple & earth fit in?

The switch also has a triple & earth, and 2 x twin & earth. So the next clue must be how many gang, was the switch? And what did they feed?

In the main, we don't have a neutral at the switch, except when feeding an outside light. Next how many lights in the room, could one twin & earth feed a second light?

So what now does not work, other than the light being worked on? Also, have you identified how many live wires at the lamp?

I would also verify if the triple & earth at the switch is the same triple & earth found at the light.

Further to the advice that already been given to you,
what do you mean by "removed the two gang two way switch as well"

Good question, I have seen two pole switches, two-way switches, and intermediate switches which at first glance looked the same. So did the two-way switch actually work as a two-way system?

 

[SUNRAY]

I start on ceiling rose with a count, 4 Brown, 2 Blue, 1, Black and 1 Grey so 4 cables, three are twin & earth and one triple & earth. So next is a guess, what can they be for?

Feed in, supply to next rose, and switch run would explain the 3 x twin & earth.

I image that to be it

But where does the triple & earth fit in?

Fan? EMG light

The switch also has a triple & earth, and 2 x twin & earth. So the next clue must be how many gang, was the switch?

OP says 2 gang 2 way So I imagine will be easy to resolve especially as one cable has both wires doubled over.

And what did they feed?

In the main, we don't have a neutral at the switch, except when feeding an outside light. Next how many lights in the room, could one twin & earth feed a second light?

So what now does not work, other than the light being worked on? Also, have you identified how many live wires at the lamp?

I would also verify if the triple & earth at the switch is the same triple & earth found at the light.

I imagine not but but of course we don't know until OP comes back with a few answers we are guessing.

Good question, I have seen two pole switches, two-way switches, and intermediate switches which at first glance looked the same. So did the two-way switch actually work as a two-way system?

The only confusing thing for me at this time is the colour of wire markers, all brown at the switch as I'd expect but all blue at the light, I'd imagine the 3C&E would be likely to have one blue (not 2) sleeve and any others being brown.

But as said without answers from OP there is no point in guessing.