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The majority aren't qualified to make the decisions though. Ask people why they voted IN or OUT. You get facile and ignorant motivations.

May be better off with a wise dictator. If everything goes títs up you shoot him and get another.:unsure:
 
What happens when the people's representatives do not do as they said they would but are only concerned with being re-elected next time by saying something different?
 
I was asking with reference to Angeleye's post - but ok:

They get re-elected with contradictory policies - then do the same again.
 
EFLImpudence said:
What happens when the people's representatives do not do as they said they would but are only concerned with being re-elected next time by saying something different?
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That is the inherent fault in democracy. If the leaders are dishonest, there's no telling where you might end up. So dishonest politicians should be barred for life from ever standing for election again. And the standard of honesty should be set so much higher than say, the average petty criminal.
I don't think it applies in Bodd's example. I suspect the electorate were well represented in their opinions. You could argue that the electorate were a privileged few, and didn't represent the masses. Perhaps the modern day people should hold those privileged few to account.

But in a modern day scenario, it is still the people's fault for electing them as their representatives, and not demanding a change of government.
 
AngleEyes said:
That is the inherent fault in democracy. If the leaders are dishonest, there's no telling where you might end up. So dishonest politicians should be barred for life from ever standing for election again. And the standard of honesty should be set so much higher than say, the average petty criminal.
I don't think it applies in Bodd's example. I suspect the electorate were well represented in their opinions. You could argue that the electorate were a privileged few, and didn't represent the masses. Perhaps the modern day people should hold those privileged few to account.

But in a modern day scenario, it is still the people's fault for electing them as their representatives, and not demanding a change of government.
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That's easy. They get elected by saying it would be worse if the opposition were in power. You are not voting for your party as much as voting against the other party and if the other party. So whoever gets to demonise the other side the most gains a distinct advantage.
 
With democracy comes the inevitable election and campaign season.
With the advantage of winning comes the inevitable negative campaigns rather than the positive campaigns, because the electorate are more easily influenced by negativity than positivity.
 
Justin Passing said:
The majority aren't qualified to make the decisions though. Ask people why they voted IN or OUT. You get facile and ignorant motivations.

May be better off with a wise dictator. If everything goes títs up you shoot him and get another.:unsure:
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Universal democracy is the problem: too many people currently have the vote. What we vote for, essentially, is how to spend the country's money. That money comes from everyone who pays any form of tax. Giving every lazy ne'er do well the right to vote has unleashed all manner of evil. If the taxpayers, and only the taxpayers called the shots we wouldn't see the improvident, incompetent and corrupt type of leaders we've suffered in recent times.
 
SirGalahad said:
That's easy. They get elected by saying it would be worse if the opposition were in power. You are not voting for your party as much as voting against the other party and if the other party. So whoever gets to demonise the other side the most gains a distinct advantage.
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I've not heard the Conservative party demonise Labour for a while, of course they don't really need to, the Labour party have effectively become their own opposition.
 
fillyboy said:
I've not heard the Conservative party demonise Labour for a while, of course they don't really need to, the Labour party have effectively become their own opposition.
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Starmer is pointless. With the Tory government's crisis after crisis, the situation we're in now should be an opposition leader's wet dream. Maybe Starmer is keeping his powder dry and just letting the Tories hang themselves.
 
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