Moving to Russia?

[foxhole]

No shortage of Dumb yanks.

 

[Justin Passing]

That's the same everywhere.

It isn't, not as a way of life. It's a palpable, qualitative difference in attitude.
Did you go there?

 

[JP_]

It isn't, not as a way of life. It's a palpable, qualitative difference in attitude.
Did you go there?

I mean, people get on with their lives everywhere you go. That doesn't mean it's good, it doesn't mean it's bad, it's just human nature to make the best of the situation.

 

[morqthana]

That's the same everywhere. We are constantly being told that the UK is going down the pan etc. but yet, everybody I see and speak to is doing OK. In fact, some say now is the best its ever been. Some people just like to pretend that everything is bad - it's usually extremist groups who don't like democratically elected governments who lie to the public about the state of the nation.

Fun fact: more immigrants used to arrive in lorries than arrive in boats. The only reason more arrive in boats now is because we put more checks on the lorries. But everybody thinks this is a big new problem because some bloke in a suit told them to think that.

Here's another fun fact - in the 2024 General Election 58% of the votes were cast for centre-left and left-wing parties.

 

[Highway Man]

He's insanely popular in Russia. They're a nation that has been trained to obey instructions and appreciate a 'strong leader'.

What? Insanely popular amongst who? You are talking about the older generation who are brain washed as they only listen to state TV like North Koreans. The majority are younger that dislike his ideology and consider him too old and has been in power for too long. They have access to the Internet and are very much westernised but dare not speak against him in public. The younger generation are no different to us over here, they like their apple products and enjoy fashion, shopping and enjoying life. Russia has all of the ingredients of living well in the big city's.

 

[Justin Passing]

WIfe's friend's relative and family was something big in ballet and arty things in St Petersburg/Leningrad. In that community, we heard they hated Putin and cleared out of the country with their portable talents as soon as they could. She (the relative) said they got investigated in case they did that, so they did it even faster, helped by those who'd done it. The entire extended family is spread across Europe now. This from early noughties.
Fits with the changes I saw, compared with previous.
I think HM is right, the old guard approve P's authoritarianism, more of the younger are agitated.
From what we can glean from the likes of Rosenburg, Putin's narrative on Ukraine is generally accepted, despite the losses.

 

[JP_]

Here's another fun fact - in the 2024 General Election 58% of the votes were cast for centre-left and left-wing parties.

And yet, the media continues to tell us that nobody voted labour and nobody wants labour now.
Funny really, as only right wing supporting media and their readers think that. Whodathunkit?

 

[Vinty]

And now it is people like you supporting Russia.

Not supporting Ukraine doesn't mean that someone supports Putin, anymore than not supporting Israel makes someone a Hamas supporter.

 

[noseall]

Not supporting Ukraine doesn't mean that someone supports Putin, anymore than not supporting Israel makes someone a Hamas supporter.

Do you support Russia's war upon Ukraine?

 

[Vinty]

Do you support Russia's war upon Ukraine?

I don't support war on anyone but given the circumstances, I think war was inevitable.

 

[morqthana]

I don't support war on anyone but given the circumstances, I think war was inevitable.

No.

Putin could have let go his imperialist urges to turn back the clock in the same way that Great Britain let go the fact that it used to rule all of Ireland, and used to have an empire around the world.

I know we have done neither of those entirely satisfactorily - they echo, and cause problems to this day, but you don't see us embarking on armed adventures to get countries back.