Shortsighted Diesel Withdrawl

If they stick to the current plan i.e. ban the sale of new petrol/diesel cars from 2030 or 2035, I think the following will be interesting:

1. What date will eventually be set to ban the sale of used cars? Or will they just wait until all petrol/diesel cars naturally reach the end of their useful life e.g. no longer passing MOT's. That could drag on ...
2. What date will eventually be set banning the sale of petrol/diesel fuel?

It's all well and good setting an arbitrary date on banning the sale of new vehicles, however banning these vehicles completely and the sale of fuel will surely need a much longer date set?

tbh, at 49 years old, I'm kind of hoping I might be able to finish my driving years in a good old diesel :)
 
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Don't think Diesel and petrol will go off sale: you have stuff like petrol lawnmowers, strimmers and chainsaws, and also gennies.
 
securespark said:
Don't think Diesel and petrol will go off sale: you have stuff like petrol lawnmowers, strimmers and chainsaws, and also gennies.
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Yeah. All those £million pound filling station forecourt business's are going to remain open to sell 10-20 litres a week.

Where do you buy your parrafin these days???
 
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About 10 years after the end of diesel / petrol there will probably be a lithium battery crisis and a massive surplus of petrol sitting around ...
 
Hardware store. Or some of the sheds.
And some filling stations.

I personally think the filling stations will remain open. They will instead be fitted with a majority of charging units, with a minority of "old fashioned" fuel pumps.

JP_ said:
About 10 years after the end of diesel / petrol there will probably be a lithium battery crisis and a massive surplus of petrol sitting around ...
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Technology has to move on to find new materials for batteries that are greener and more plentiful.
 
securespark said:
Technology has to move on to find new materials for batteries that are greener and more plentiful.
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I hope so. Doesn't seem a very wise approach thought, banning something that works in the hope that something better will be developed.

Was watching a TV show about EV cars this week. Current advice is that you maintain a charge of 20-80% - going outside of this depletes the life of the battery.
Oh, and avoid very cold temperatures - tricky in winter.

Current cars only have an average range of 200 miles, ones like the Honda e are 100 miles. Which means, you should not go more than 80 miles on a full charge. It would take forever to go to Scotland or Cornwall from where I live - most of the holiday would be spent watching the car charge at motorway services.
 
EV sales made up 15% of sales in October in the UK.

Even while it's apparently too hard to charge them, too expensive to buy them, they can't drive anywhere and when there no materials to build them.

EVs are apparently now more profitable than ICE for the manufacturers. And the cost to produce is falling.
 
Some of the newer ones have a range of 250 miles, which for most purposes would be more than adequate and would last the average user about a week.
 
I'm curious what the Petrol heads think cars will be like in 2030.

I'm expecting EVs to be cheaper to buy as well as own (since they're already cheaper to own), to charge in around 20-30 mins even for a low end model and there to be at least some chargers at every car park.

I don't see why people would want to buy ICE vehicles by then.
 
I am hoping I shall still be fit enough to drive my Triumph Stag. I am trying to make the carbon footprint of manufacture back in 1974 make economic sense by driving it as long as possible.
 
IT Minion said:
EV sales made up 15% of sales in October in the UK.

Even while it's apparently too hard to charge them, too expensive to buy them, they can't drive anywhere and when there no materials to build them.

EVs are apparently now more profitable than ICE for the manufacturers. And the cost to produce is falling.
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At present it is predominantly the well off that are purchasing electric cars, they are switching over for the tax benefits, and most have a 2nd car which is fuel powered. Once again the not so well off will be the last to benefit, and will take up the scraps left behind


Majority of normal households are unable to afford them.

There was a program on channel 4, was despatches about electric cars and the charging infrastructure outside of London is woefully inadequate and is very stressful for drivers on long journeys.

However I do note that not everyone does long journeys.

They also advised that to keep the battery in its optimal condition was to keep the battery between 20% and 80%, which means that out of the box they advise you don't use 40% of the available range, on a regular basis.

They also purchased a used Nissan leaf which should have a range of about 150 mile's when new, but this one when fully charged only had a range of 40 miles and when they drove it it went down much more rapidly than the mileage they were actually covering.

There is still a long way to go before the electric car can become mainstream. An electric Corsa is £27k, for that money I could buy a brand new lexus UX250 hybrid. I know which I'd rather choose. And this it what makes it unaffordable to most.

The top gear episode was interesting aswell.

Car manufacturers grand plan is to no longer sell cars, instead there plan is to lease, the cost of cars is becoming increasingly unrealistic. They want to work it on a Netflix / Amazon prime business model as it's more profitable for them.
 
Bloke down t'pub will sit down & explain, to anyone who cares to listen, his personal experience of buying a Nissan Leaf.

It was 5yrs old with 70 000'ish miles on the clock. Sold by a civil servant who bought it on a civil service scheme & was used for a 10ml commute & approx 50-60mls of short journeys during the day.

The fact that it wasn't traded in should be ringing the alarm bells.

He paid £8.5k, which he thought was a bargain, until you factor in the need to replace the battery.

The battery was showing some signs of degradation, but you'd think it would have plenty of life left in it wouldn't you. Turns out the car, at this stage of it's life, only had a battery capacity to give it a usable 20ml trip before needing a charge. It cost him £700+ to find this out from a specialist non dealer garage with a very good reputation.

Whilst it is nice to be in a position to be be able to afford to buy a new vehicle every few years, it is important that the total cost of ownership makes economic sense. At the moment, EV's are in high demand & that also reflects on their used values . . . Until you actually buy one you don't discover that it doesn't make any sense . . . .
 
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