Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[motorbiking]

A slight tangent. How safe is it to use jet skis in the middle of the Channel. I have only ever seen them being used close to shore.

The main risk you have is shipping, but these things can easily be managed with radio calls etc. The sea itself is no more dangerous because it's 100m deep or 10 miles from shore than it is 20m deep and 1 mile from shore.

 

[Notch7]

which is why they cannot forcibly be rescued.

nobody is saying that

 

[denso13]

Offshore processing centers wouldn't work in my opinion.

They are worth a go in my opinion.

I don't see any incentives.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

They can prevent them from entering UK waters, at that point they remain in French waters.

They cannot interfere with the passage of innocent boats.
Any attempt to pushback or divert such small boats would endanger their lives.
That alone would be morally corrupt and a criminal act.

 

[Highway Man]

They are worth a go in my opinion.

I don't see any incentives.

Nice 5 star hotel with all inclusive meals, a bit of pocket money thrown in, medical care and usually a bike donated from Halfords is a good opener.

 

[motorbiking]

sheo told Border force to to push backs, they said fek off


mabe Nige should apply with his fisher price binoculars

I think their unions did. meanwhile they were given some nice ribs and tasty jet skis to play with to practice.

 

[Highway Man]

It's all sounding like a holiday brochure

 

[motorbiking]

They have a right to claim asylum in the country they are.

correct - if they are in French territory- then the French must take them

The only way for them to reach UK is by small boat. Then they have the right to apply.

they have a limited get of jail card for some immigration offences

Exactly how they reach UK is irrelevant.

keeping them from doing that is the idea.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

no I have said they can be prevented from entering UK waters.

They can't. Any attempt would result in endangering the occupants.

I suppose they could take all the passenger son board the rescue boat, then turn the small boat around.
Then there's the problem of asking the refugees to climb back on board the small boat.

 

[motorbiking]

Lets be clear on what you are arguing first:
A) Rescuing people in distress in French territorial waters and taking them back to French soil is non-innocent passage and the French have the right to prevent it.
B) A vessel not in French territorial waters may not enter French territorial waters to assist a Vessel in distress if it suspects they are illegals as this is not innocent passage

I'll wait...

 

[Highway Man]

They can't. Any attempt would result in endangering the occupants.

I mean they havent taken any risks so far have they.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Until they claim asylum they are illegals and can be prosecuted for their immigration offences.

They claim asylum on arriving in UK.

ONCE they claim asylum and if their claim is approved, they have a limited right not to be prosecuted for some of the immigration offences.

Section 31 Immigration and Asylum Act 1999: defence against prosecution (accessible)​

Section 31 Immigration and Asylum Act 1999: defence against prosecution (accessible)

www.gov.uk

So the CPS don't waste their limited funding on chasing ghosts.

 

[motorbiking]

They can't. Any attempt would result in endangering the occupants.

I suppose they could take all the passenger son board the rescue boat, then turn the small boat around.
Then there's the problem of asking the refugees to climb back on board the small boat.

Do feel free to share why a 70ft flat bottom boat, made to a very poor standard overloaded with people is put at greater risk by being gently pushed at the bow, than propelled by the outboard at the stern.

The vessel has to be steered in order to go north, there is nothing inherently dangerous about it being slowly turned around to go south. Do you think the boat knows which way its heading or was only designed to go North?

 

[MNW67]

Nice 5 star hotel with all inclusive meals, a bit of pocket money thrown in, medical care and usually a bike donated from Halfords is a good opener.

It is a complex question. After a while I think, for most people, it would become a soul destroying existence. Like being in a very nice prison.

 

[motorbiking]

They claim asylum on arriving in UK.

Section 31 Immigration and Asylum Act 1999: defence against prosecution (accessible)

www.gov.uk

So the CPS don't waste their limited funding on chasing ghosts.

The goal of Push backs is to keep them out.