Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Notch7]

And labour have made things worse in record time

but they havent

what we are seeing is the legacy of 14 years of Tories

Brexit has caused permanent damage to the UK economy
huge increase in wealth inequality over 14 years has causes stagnation of wages
8 million people on NHS waiting lists
750,000 people unable to work due to being on NHS waiting lists

a decade of austerity has led to half a trillion pounds of lost pubic spending
real world cuts to department of work and pensions of 40%
real world cuts to ministry of justice of 40%
all while the wealthiest in this country have seen their wealth rocket

what we are seeing is the culmination of Tory destruction of this country hitting reality............funny how it was hidden by the right wing media whilst Tories were in power


and you want to vote for Reform which will accelerate wealth inequality even more

 

[motorbiking]

but they havent

what we are seeing is the legacy of 14 years of Tories

Brexit has caused permanent damage to the UK economy
huge increase in wealth inequality over 14 years has causes stagnation of wages
8 million people on NHS waiting lists
750,000 people unable to work due to being on NHS waiting lists

a decade of austerity has led to half a trillion pounds of lost pubic spending
real world cuts to department of work and pensions of 40%
real world cuts to ministry of justice of 40%
all while the wealthiest in this country have seen their wealth rocket

what we are seeing is the culmination of Tory destruction of this country hitting reality............funny how it was hidden by the right wing media whilst Tories were in power


and you want to vote for Reform which will accelerate wealth inequality even more

Why did we need austerity? - overspending by previous government
what caused the NHS backlog? - a pandemic.
What is the best way to improve a person earnings? - give them better skills.

 

[JohnD]

While we're on the subject of 14 years of neglect, I'm impressed by the quality and amount of pothole repairs recently. We have a lot of bad holes, some of which have had repeated cheap attempts to fill them in until now.

Round my way, the roads are mostly quiet in the evenings and overnight, and, from 8pm, I see gangs working on stretches of roads. Instead of filling in one of a time, they seem to cut out a square or rectangular patch, renew the base, and resurface it with a self-propelled machine and roller, then seal the edges.

They close one lane, or a carriageway, or one end of a side road, and do maybe half a mile in a night. When they have repaired all the defects, they come back and resurface the whole of more important roads. I sometimes hear them packing up at 6 the next morning.

The doctor's surgeries now offer appointments, even if you don't call at 8am sharp, and I know people who've been able to get hospital appointments.

 

[JohnD]

Why did we need austerity?

Biker boy doesn't know how to rebuild a crushed economy.

 

[ellal]

Why did we need austerity? - overspending by previous government

You forgot the bit about the global financial crisis

We didn't 'need' austerity, we needed different spending priorities...

And despite austerity, debt kept on rising.

 

[JohnD]

what caused the NHS backlog? - a pandemic.

Not true. It started before the pandemic.

• "In England, the 18-week treatment target has not been met since 2016 and waiting lists for hospital treatment rose to a record of 7.7 million people in September 2023.
• The percentage of patients waiting over 4 hours in hospital A&E rose consistently between 2015 and 2020. A new record high was reached in December 2022.
• The 62-day waiting time standard for cancer treatment has not been met in recent years."

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2024-0181/

The reason is greater demand from an ageing population, and underinvestment. Funnily enough, the older people, whose declining health causes them to need more treatment, more often and for longer, often demand cuts to public services by pushing for tax cuts, and handouts to people who don't need them.

Luckily, the NHS was previously able to recruit healthy young workers from other countries to patch up the shortage of resources.

 

[JohnD]

what caused the NHS backlog? - a pandemic.

Not true.

"At the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, the NHS in England had not met its elective waiting time performance standard for four years, nor its full set of eight operational standards for cancer services for six years."

Managing NHS backlogs and waiting times in England - NAO report

This is our second report on backlogs for elective and cancer care. It examines the design of NHSE’s recovery plan, how the NHS has been implementing the plan and the ongoing risks NHSE has to manage.

www.nao.org.uk

Even biker boy knows better, he just likes spreading false stories in an attempt to smear our elected government.

Perhaps he'll claim that Liz Truss was a Labour leader next.

 

[Notch7]

What is the best way to improve a person earnings? - give them better skills

So you think people who say work incase sector, or retail, or hospitality or in healthcare should re train and become a lawyer or accountant.

So what do you do about the sector shortages you've created?

Let's say a care home paysa low wage so staff leave then to replace they have to offer a decent living wage to carers, that will put up cate home fees. Are you happy with that

 

[JohnD]

what caused the NHS backlog? - a pandemic.

Biker boy knows that isn't true.

It's been a long time getting this bad. And it won't be quick to repair the damage. At the same time that our population has been getting older, needing more care, more often, and for longer, we have had a hostile government.

"Why is the NHS in crisis, despite the fact that the UK now spends about as much money on it as peer countries? Well, a big part of the reason is that important word “now”. The NHS now gets about as much money as its peers, but in the past decade, UK health spending has fallen short of levels in similar countries. This isn’t particularly complex or surprising. If you don’t clean your house for 10 years, and then you start to pay a cleaner to spend two hours a week tidying it like your neighbours do, it will be some time indeed before your house is anywhere near as clean as your neighbours’ homes.

As Clive Cookson and Jasmine Cameron-Chileshe explain in their excellent primer on the state of the health service, an awful lot of the NHS crisis is as simple as an absence of money. If you don’t train enough doctors, nurses and paramedics for a decade, there is a hard limit on what you can achieve quickly just by increasing the amount of money you spend."

FT.com

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Our ambulances are stacked up outside our hospitals waiting for someone to leave. Why is this? Why do we have too few beds?

Because that's what we wanted....

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Deliberate policy.

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[Notch7]

Why did we need austerity? - overspending by previous government
what caused the NHS backlog? - a pandemic.

global financial crisis: all Labours fault
global pandemic: nothing to do with Tories

you absolute plonker

 

[motorbiking]

global financial crisis: all Labours fault
global pandemic: nothing to do with Tories

you absolute plonker

How do you get away with your posts?

 

[JohnD]

Why did we need austerity?

"If we defund the NHS enough, it will get so bad that the elite won't use it. Then we can defund it some more, it doesn't matter about the proles. There will be lots of money to be made from private companies selling services the NHS can't provide."

These exact words were NOT in a booklet co-authored by Hunt.

Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance

'Direct Democracy: An Agenda For A New Model Party' called for the 'denationalisation' of the NHS

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Mottie]

we needed different spending priorities...

They had one spending priority I agreed with. Can you guess which one?

 

[Notch7]

How do you get away with your posts?

Well you havent got away with your silly hypocrisy

you literally put the blame for the global financial crisis on Labour whilst simultaneously excused Tories for the global crisis caused by the pandemic


your posts are so often simply puerile tribal nonsense, its easy to show them up

 

[Notch7]

Why did we need austerity?

there was no austerity for the wealthy in fact they got considerably richer from 2010 to 2020

and then during and after the pandemic they got richer still

I wonder why you are so keen for Reforms plans for trickle down economics on steroids...........to continue where Tories left off