Surrender of personal freedom?

[Newboy]

Question:

How much of your personal freedom are you prepared to sacrifice in order to combat the threat of terrorism?

for example:

Electronic communication intercepted and recorded
ID cards
Stop and search
Vehicle search

 

[ajrtd]

all of there's but none of my own.

 

[big-all]

all of there's but none of my own.

it must apply to all otherwise it wont work
so saying not me means no one

 

[gasbanni]

No problem at all.

THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

I'd be OK with ID cards -most countries have them. But biometric ID cards give me the shivers.

 

[tony1851]

'Those who would sacrifice essential freedoms for a little safety and security, deserve neither safety nor security'

(Benjamin Franklin).

Rather than clamping down on the whole of society in the name of fighting terrorism - which is the easy option from the authority's point of view - it would be fairer to target members of those known groups and give them no let-up.

 

[ajrtd]

all of there's but none of my own.

it must apply to all otherwise it wont work
so saying not me means no one

twas too deep then ba.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

twas too deep then ba.

Some people just don't 'get' subtlety

(I also just noticed how weird the spelling of 'subtlety' looks)

 

[big-all]

i wouldn't mind an identity card i have no photo id at all so cant fly with easyjet

 

[Newboy]

No problem at all.

THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW.

The problem with that is that you're accepting (ultimately) a police state where all of your activities are monitored - think Stasi in East Germany for example.

How do the authorities handle the suspicion of an individual being a potential murdering f*ckwit?

Internment?

 

[Newboy]

Rather than clamping down on the whole of society in the name of fighting terrorism - which is the easy option from the authority's point of view - it would be fairer to target members of those known groups and give them no let-up.

But that only works if you know who they are - how are the unknowns dealt with?

 

[ajrtd]

Donald Rumsfeld.

The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know.

There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know.

But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Thanks Donald, for that utterly redundant quote.

 

[mikeey84]

Donald Rumsfeld.

The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know.

There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know.

But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

I think Donald was actually making a good point, but not in a particularly good way! Bless him.

 

[PBC_1966]

Rather than clamping down on the whole of society in the name of fighting terrorism - which is the easy option from the authority's point of view.

And when the general law-abiding population is subjected to what becomes a police state in the "war on terror," with basic rights and freedoms violated, the terrorists have won.