The Freedom Fallacy

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...This government is stripping out fundamental liberties with the speed and determination you would expect in the aftermath of a military coup. Knowing that their days in office are numbered, the Conservatives seem to be snuffing out democracy as quickly as they can.
Even before the latest amendment, the public order bill was the most repressive legislation of the modern era, potentially criminalising all meaningful protest. If Rishi Sunak’s new proposal is passed, protests can be stopped before they begin on the grounds that they might be “disruptive”. Disruptive protest was redefined by last year’s Police Act to include noise. Now the definition is being further extended to incorporate “slow marching”. This Minority Report amendment puts us on the wrong side of the law before we even raise our hands in objection.

At the same time, the government is rushing an anti-union bill through parliament that could roll back a century of progress in the workplace. It permits the business secretary, Grant Shapps, to demand “minimum service levels” in the public and service sectors. As the scope of this demand is not defined by the bill, “minimum service levels” are whatever he says they are. His arbitrary powers could, in effect, make industrial action illegal.

These police-state measures coincide with a high court ruling perfectly designed to remind us of how such coercive power arose, and how far back the problem goes. It is a judgment of the kind that legitimised our highly concentrated land ownership and the political power that flows from it: a classic act of enclosure terminating the last legal rights of wild camping in England, on Dartmoor. Because written title didn’t precisely specify these rights, they are deemed not to exist, though they are long practised and commonly understood. This is how the commoners of England, Ireland and Scotland were dispossessed. This is how the legal fiction of written title – and the land-grabbing it enabled – was extended across the British empire.

The standard retort of those who seek to justify our political system is that if you don’t like a decision, you should write to your MP. But what do people living in southern Dartmoor do? Anthony Mangnall, who claims to represent Totnes and South Devon, won his seat in 2019 with the help of a £5,000 donation from Darwall, the man who brought the case. Here, in microcosm, is everything that’s wrong with our politics.

The Tories bleat endlessly about freedom. But the only freedom they respect is the freedom of the rich and powerful to treat other people as commodities and the living planet as their dustbin. Democracy in this country was only ever skin-deep, our power and personhood delegated to a pantomime performed by 650 people in central London, few of whom are permitted to speak their minds. Without the regular participation that would make the word meaningful, protest is the only vestige of real democracy we retain.

No force in the United Kingdom is as disruptive as the Westminster government, no disorder as great as the disorder it has caused. This is a sick, outdated political culture... It is not just a change of government we need. It’s a change of governance.

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Come the election the turnout maybe smaller but enough people will vote to legitimise the shower of sh*t of all parties that passes off as government.
 
No force in the United Kingdom is as disruptive as the Westminster government, no disorder as great as the disorder it has caused. This is a sick, outdated political culture... It is not just a change of government we need. It’s a change of governance.
Sadly a large enough portion of the electorate have been dumbed down so much that they don't realise that democracy doesn't exist in the UK.
 
There is little meaningful difference between communism, nazism, the Conservative Party and the Labour Party.
 
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I see no problem in a union vote for strike action requiring a majority approval of the membership before walking out.

'Minimum Service Levels' will have the full support of the general public if defined correctly. Police, Fire Brigade, Armed Forces have no right to strike so why not other major/critical providers?

'Police State' measures - You having a larf!!! - Have you ever travelled outside the UK to any 3rd world country and experienced life under a real police state?

Ban 'Slow-Marching'?. If you mean a bunch of protesters who want to stroll along the local motorway or a busy road through town causing havoc to those who want to get to work, hospital, school et al. - Yes please.
 
Threatening to fire nurses so they get an easier and better paid job at Aldi is not a great plan.
 
Minimum Service Levels' will have the full support of the general public if defined correctly. Police, Fire Brigade, Armed Forces have no right to strike so why not other major/critical providers?
Think back before the current strikes. Was any service running well - no. The current news winter of discontent etc will tend to make people forget that,

So service levels were not adequate but lets forget that and wonder what min means. All of them or what.

One bird seems to have done some sums and tells us expect a taxation increase this year. Be interesting to see if that is correct.

Levelling up fund - strange but by area the SE gets the most.

From the ONS
Public sector total expenditure was £91.2 billion in October 2022; of this, central government current (or day-to-day) spending was £76.8 billion, £6.5 billion more than in October 2021.
 
..This government is stripping out fundamental liberties with the speed and determination you would expect in the aftermath of a military coup. Knowing that their days in office are numbered, the Conservatives seem to be snuffing out democracy as quickly as they can.
Even before the latest amendment, the public order bill was the most repressive legislation of the modern era, potentially criminalising all meaningful protest. If Rishi Sunak’s new proposal is passed, protests can be stopped before they begin on the grounds that they might be “disruptive”. Disruptive protest was redefined by last year’s Police Act to include noise. Now the definition is being further extended to incorporate “slow marching”. This Minority Report amendment puts us on the wrong side of the law before we even raise our hands in objection.

I consider it one of my fundamental liberties to be able to travel freely without being held up for hours because someone has superglued their hands to a road.
 
I consider it one of my fundamental liberties to be able to travel freely without being held up for hours because someone has superglued their hands to a road.
You don't think that some of the changes are because they expect more widely spread similar problems in the future?
 
They were on about the unions on the radio this morning

The big nursing union

It costs them 200 grand in admin and postage to ballot there members

Than they pay £70 a day in strike pay

Strikes are financially expensive to the union
 
I consider it one of my fundamental liberties to be able to travel freely without being held up for hours because someone has superglued their hands to a road.

All these fruit cakes would be asked
To jog on in a timely fashion

There after they would be dealt with harshly

Water cannons / tear gas / tazors

Adopt the french attitude
 
They were on about the unions on the radio this morning

The big nursing union

It costs them 200 grand in admin and postage to ballot there members

Than they pay £70 a day in strike pay

Strikes are financially expensive to the union
100,000 civil servants have been told to strike on 01 Feb.......without any strike pay. PCS Union can't afford it :(
 
All these fruit cakes would be asked
To jog on in a timely fashion

There after they would be dealt with harshly

Water cannons / tear gas / tazors

Adopt the french attitude
The irony!

The French are utter scoundrels according to you, nay fruit cakes.

Now, suddenly, you find them to be the solution.

Make your mind up!
 
I consider it one of my fundamental liberties to be able to travel freely without being held up for hours because someone has superglued their hands to a road.
Take the train then.
Oh wait...
 
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