Thank Goodness!

Although Lord Young's review is welcome, I think we will be kidding ourselves, and raising our expectations of a return to sanity if we think that H&S legislation is the problem.

Although there has been a major increase in regulation and bureaucracy under the last government, the big problem for everyone is not the regulations which we need to adhere to, but rather the fear of doing something "unsafe" and then getting sued by an injured person under some no-win, no-fee claim

Despite the numerous regulations, then chances of a breach being even discovered, or company taken to court by the HSE or council for H&S breaches are very low. The chances of a no-win no fee claim are better than average

When the company/council/individual cancels an event, or requires disproportionate safeguards, or does whatever in the name of "H&S" then it is in 9/10 cases, not because they need to conform to any regulation, but purely because they want to cover all angles so that nothing can go wrong which then leads to a hefty lawsuit from some predatory Solicitor

The no-win, no-fee culture is draining public bodies and companies as they are an easy target and incur ever higher insurance premiums, and incur more and more costs in making things "safe". Changing H&S regs wont make a bit of difference, as all the claims which have gone to court are based on, or create new precedents which binds the court in future claims of a similar nature

Consider a scenario. Little Johnny slips on a leaf on the path, and blames the council for not cleaning the leaf up. No change of H&S law will stop a Solicitor taking the claim to court and trying to prove the council negligent. If he wins, then that opens the gates for more claims due to slipping on leaves. So the council then has to either close the path, sweep the streets 24/7 or chop down all the trees. Either way, there is a financial cost or a detrimental effect on everyone else ... and all because someone was after a quick buck for personal gain.
Even if the claim is tenuous, then there is a cost in dealing with it (or settling it) and a cost in terms of how to prevent future tenuous time wasting claims .... ie remove the possible cause even if there is nothing actually wrong with it

I regularly see these claims. And I regularly see insurers making commercial decisions to pay out claimants purely because of the costs in trying to defend them. A claimant may get say £500 for some bruising where they tripped or got injured in an incident where normal people would shrug off their own carelessness for not looking where they were going or not paying attention. Now along with this £500 for the claimant, their Solicitors will get between £4000 and £5000 for their fees

In our local post offices, next to were all the out-of-work claimants are queuing, are specific shelves with "Had an accident? Make a claim, you have got nothing to loose" type posters. And there is certainly a lot of interest in them.

It is the predatory Solicitors who need dealing with, not the H&S regulations
 
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My last job was opposite to the experience of people here, as it was a high risk job, and plenty of risk assesment, but when it mattered, management overruled any safety considerations to meet contract requirements.

Been driving all day without a break? Fancy an extra 3 hours unpaid overtime? No? Well you are doing it.

Had no lunch yet? Good, because we have another 10 jobs that you must do.

Logging off a shift at 2am? Good, see you on the early shift at 6am. As per the rosta.

Heavy lifting that requires two men? Sorry nobody available, carry on.

Any complaint was met with you are being a jobsworth, or lazy, or being trouble, so everyone accepted poor standards. And morale suffered because of it, and eventually them and us mentality set in. Poor management, and the manager involved got sacked eventually.
 
Where I work we are right now going to a zero access policy at great expence. That means no access in anyway to moving machinery without 'very' tight controls. Most of our incidents are slips and trips but as we all know if a trip accident on a paving slab happens, the blame and indeed the root cause is placed squarely at the lack of maintenance. Not the individuals lack of ability to walk properly.

Yes Individuals responsibilty is covered in the legislation but so what. The legal predetors, ergo the system, mostly sees the individual as the victim.

Companies know it costs to defend liability cases, it costs in higher insurance premiums, it costs in reputation, it costs to implement safety policy and equipment and it costs when a failed doctor with a chip, hmmmm a H&SE comes round and tells you to increase safety just to tick a box. This tick box system is not the fault of the HSE, its what drives them-the 'where theres a blame, theres a claim' thats to blame. (try saying that quickly)

No wonder manufacturing is moving to China where if you loose an arm you should consider your self lucky you have a spare.
 
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The main changes started coming about in the 80's. Before the introduction of the H&S act the maximum fine for anyone convicted of causing an accident in industry was something like £25,000.
Companies realised that the buck stopped with the MD. There were cases where a worker was killed and the MD was fined £25,000.
Life certainly came cheap back then.
Since the H&S act the fines are unlimited and can also mean a prison sentence.

One of the first compensation claims under the H&S at Work act came from a burglar. He climbed on to the roof of a Tesco warehouse and fell through one of the panels that let light through.
Tesco had realised shortly after the warehouse had been built that the panels also allowed too much heat through and so had the roof painted with heat reflecting material. There were no signs up stating that there were areas of the roof that wouldn't support a persons weight.
The burglar fell through one and broke both his legs and was found on the Monday morning.
Subsequently, some bright spark of a solicitor realised the burglar could claim compensation off the company under the H&S act.
Before the introduction of the H&S act , the chap would have been lucky to claim for the price of a zimmer frame. ;) ;) ;) ;)
 
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