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[Notch7]

You want to edit my posts down to 4 words, conversation over.

your post was literally 4 words ya muppet

 

[Notch7]

I've been listening to all sides of the debate and have serious reservations.

assisted dying already goes on anyway, people have medicine, food, water, oxygen withdrawn
if you listened to all sides of the debate you would talk about that

if you listened to all sides of the debate you would not use emotive phrases like "state sanctioned killing"


you are a one trick pony: everything is a conspiracy theory to you

 

[Deleted member 265726]

assisted dying already goes on anyway, people have medicine, food, water, oxygen withdrawn
if you listened to all sides of the debate you would talk about that

if you listened to all sides of the debate you would not use emotive phrases like "state sanctioned killing"


you are a one trick pony: everything is a conspiracy theory to you

And you are an establishment shill. Please stop derailing the thread because you feel like having a little bully session.

 

[ellal]

What I am trying to say is that they extended the bill's catchment after it had been approved into law. Unless 'terminally ill adult' is specifically defined it could cover those with diagnosis of mental illness. That is eugenics.

That is not Eugenics...

Eugenics is 'selective breeding'...

Not giving people a choice is a totally different matter!

 

[Deleted member 265726]

That is not Eugenics...

Eugenics is 'selective breeding'...

Not giving people a choice is a totally different matter!

We could call it 'murder' instead if 'eugenics' upsets you. Frankly, if you are mentally ill and approved for culling, one wonders how you made a grounded decision in the first place. I would advise you read more from a different angle. Odds has suggested information from a different perspective.

 

[ellal]

We could call it 'murder' instead if 'eugenics' upsets you.

The fact that you have no clue about what you are talking about certainly doesn't upset me...

Best you do a bit more research before you spout your 'different angle' BS again!

 

[Deleted member 265726]

The fact that you have no clue about what you are talking about certainly doesn't upset me...

Best you do a bit more research before you spout your 'different angle' BS again!

Define 'mental illness'. Is it a personality disorder, a disease, a temporary state of cognitive distress? Is it genetic, random, environmental or other?

Now do the same for 'disability'.

Canada is offering state sanctioned mercy killings to those with mental/physical illness and disability. So who does that leave? The fit and healthy. I call that eugenics.

 

[ellal]

Define 'mental illness'.

Ask yourself that question

 

[Notch7]

And you are an establishment shill. Please stop derailing the thread because you feel like having a little bully session.

Have you any experience with end of life care?

Did you actually know NHS effectively operates assisted dying already, it used to be called the Liverpool pathway

 

[Notch7]

Unless 'terminally ill adult' is specifically defined it could cover those with diagnosis of mental illness

It is specifically designed

 

[Notch7]

...the committee decided not to hear from a single Canadian witness, despite the important lessons that can be learned from Canada’s experience of legalising assisted dying. Introduced in 2015, assisted dying was initially presented as a last resort for terminally ill patients suffering from incurable pain – just as it is being presented in Leadbeater’s bill. Within the space of just a few years, however, Canada has effectively made assisted dying available to pretty much anyone who is struggling with an illness or a disability. Euthanasia is now the fifth-leading cause of death nationwide and it will likely rise even higher. Soon, people suffering from mental-health issues, such as anorexia, will be eligible for an assisted death.

Yet despite the parliamentary process being firmly weighted in favour of proponents of assisted dying, they have still managed to put their foot in it. Take Australian MP Alex Greenwich, a member of the New South Wales legislative assembly. He told the committee that assisted dying was a ‘form of suicide prevention’, unwittingly revealing the doublespeak that lies behind so much assisted-suicide advocacy. Even Leadbeater herself is dropping clangers. This week she told the BBC that her bill still had ‘too many safeguards’.

Sp!ked.online

I don’t find that a terribly helpful article, it’s not objective at all with heavily loaded phrasing.

Repeatedly using the term “assisted suicide” is extremely unhelpful.

I hate it when journalists use introduce emotive language like “she breezily claimed this wasn’t a problem”…..it’s all a bit too Daily Mail.

The article does raise some important concerns though such as the expert witnesses all being pro assisted dying and they should have heard from somebody from Canada…..the legislation must be robust to avoid mission creep.

 

[motorbiking]

It is assisted suicide it is the law regarding assisting someone to commit suicide that is being amended. Don't get hung up on the term.

 

[Notch7]

It is assisted suicide it is the law regarding assisting someone to commit suicide that is being amended. Don't get hung up on the term.

its assisted dying

not assisted suicide

simples

 

[motorbiking]

Suicide Act 1961

An Act to amend the law of England and Wales relating to suicide, and for purposes connected therewith.

www.legislation.gov.uk

says you are wrong.

Just get over the term.

The act of taking your life due to terminal illness or asking someone to help you is suicide.

 

[Odds]

I don’t find that a terribly helpful article, it’s not objective at all with heavily loaded phrasing.

Repeatedly using the term “assisted suicide” is extremely unhelpful.

I hate it when journalists use introduce emotive language like “she breezily claimed this wasn’t a problem”…..it’s all a bit too Daily Mail.

The article does raise some important concerns though such as the expert witnesses all being pro assisted dying and they should have heard from somebody from Canada…..the legislation must be robust to avoid mission creep.

Well, it's an objective view from the other side of the debate, pointing out the tactics used by Leadbetter in order to push the Bill through:

Earlier this month, when the bill wound its way to its first committee hearing, Leadbeater’s first act was to make sure the selection of expert witnesses occurred in secret. Unsurprisingly, those chosen were overwhelmingly in favour of assisted suicide – of the eight international experts and nine legal experts, none was opposed to assisted suicide.

Hardly a balanced panel of experts to scrutinise the fine print, is it? If it's true that assisted dying is the 5th haighest cause of death in Canada, it begs the question of how broad this legislation should be - is it really necessary to include people with mental disorders or a disability? I'm in favour of a legislation to give support to people with a terminal illness who clearly state they wish to end thier life in comfort and with dignity but can't see any reason to broaden that...