This'll be interesting.

[Lirefighter]

People who accept they made a mistake show courage.

The people who still support Brexit despite overwhelming evidence it’s a pile of poo are spineless weeds.

Notch the cowardly lion.
Full of courage until he's asked about what he hoped voting leave would achieve.
No comment, says the cowardly lion.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

There were a couple of key parts, though, to the Leave campaign. We would end FOM and we would stop paying the membership fee. Whilst keeping all the benefits of membership. How that was going to be achieved was very vague

There was no definitive brexit .

Everybody who wanted to leave had different ideas, it was never decided or detailed.

 

[MNW67]

There was no definitive brexit .

Everybody who wanted to leave had different ideas, it was never decided or detailed.

Brexit means Brexit!

Although I think that was Theresa May's slogan, after the referendum result.

It seems a long time ago now.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Brexit means Brexit!

Although I think that was Theresa May's slogan, after the referendum result.

It seems a long time ago now.

Yes. it meant nothing whatsoever but lots latched onto it

 

[Mottie]

I voted for it to save all those that were being taken advantage of by having to drive abroad to look after competition cars for no pay.

 

[Lirefighter]

This reminded me of your reply to me on the other thread which is now locked. You said:



TBH, I had forgotten a lot of the finer details of the referendum campaign, so I had to think back.

Obviously, you are correct.

What the Leave side did, though, was to claim that we could sign a bespoke deal with the EU, keeping all the benefits of membership, and just get rid of the bits we didn't like, such as FOM and paying for membership. I thought this wouldn't be possible. But still, after the result, I was hopeful that somehow they would be able to pull it off. It quickly became apparent that there wasn't really much of a plan.

Without looking back at the incentives put out by the leave side (can't believe it's been 10 yrs) I was very much for a hard Brexit anyway. Cut all ties, no matter the cost.
The problems concerning 'the plan' were overwhelmingly caused by the lack of anyone with a will to go through with it being in a position to do so.
I had, what turned out to be a misguided faith in Boris, and he sold everyone down the river.
The majority he gained for the Conservative Party in 2019 wielded them the power to do almost anything they wanted and they chose to do absolutely nowt of value.
Why, I still cannot fathom.
2028 is going to be a whole different story though. Just wait.

Out of interest, which way did you vote in 2016?

 

[fillyboy]

Without looking back at the incentives put out by the leave side (can't believe it's been 10 yrs) I was very much for a hard Brexit anyway. Cut all ties, no matter the cost.
The problems concerning 'the plan' were overwhelmingly caused by the lack of anyone with a will to go through with it being in a position to do so.
I had, what turned out to be a misguided faith in Boris, and he sold everyone down the river.
The majority he gained for the Conservative Party in 2019 wielded them the power to do almost anything they wanted and they chose to do absolutely nowt of value.
Why, I still cannot fathom.
2028 is going to be a whole different story though. Just wait.

Out of interest, which way did you vote in 2016?

The negotiations for terms were only ever going to be after the referendum result so prior to that, any plan was worth no more than a party manifesto.

 

[MNW67]

Out of interest, which way did you vote in 2016?

I didn't vote. Because I honestly couldn't decide. I had gone off the EU for various reasons, such as the way they treated Greece after GFC, and Merkel's unilateral decision to let in millions of refugees. But I was sure the Leave campaign's claims didn't stack up. After the result I felt relieved, because I honestly thought we would get a BRINO soft Brexit, maybe like Norway. And I hoped that would be enough to end all the national turmoil over the EU. I was sure the Leave claims were nonsense and when confronted with reality they would opt to stay in the single market. But they went the other way. But clearly not to the extent you wanted.

 

[MNW67]

2028 is going to be a whole different story though. Just wait.

You will disagree. And probably laugh. But I think Starmer is doing a decent job in extremely difficult times. I can see Labour winning again.

 

[noseall]

I didn't vote. Because I honestly couldn't decide. I had gone off the EU for various reasons, such as the way they treated Greece

What? Keeping them afloat? They'd have been in an even bigger pickle outside the zone.

after GFC, and Merkel's unilateral decision to let in millions of refugees.

Nonsense.

 

[fillyboy]

I didn't vote. Because I honestly couldn't decide. I had gone off the EU for various reasons, such as the way they treated Greece after GFC, and Merkel's unilateral decision to let in millions of refugees. But I was sure the Leave campaign's claims didn't stack up. After the result I felt relieved, because I honestly thought we would get a BRINO soft Brexit, maybe like Norway. And I hoped that would be enough to end all the national turmoil over the EU. I was sure the Leave claims were nonsense and when confronted with reality they would opt to stay in the single market. But they went the other way. But clearly not to the extent you wanted.

I voted leave because I knew we would eventually be forced to join the Euro, because I knew we would have more control over our own laws and regulations, because we would be able to reduce red tape make the UK a more attractive country for business to invest in, because it meant we could take back sovereignty, and because the Germans bombed my mums house, bastards.

 

[Odds]

Only reason the UK would be forced to adopt the Euro is when the Tories totally trashed the economy - good job we were out by the time Liz trussed us all up, eh.

 

[noseall]

I voted leave because I knew we would eventually be forced to join the Euro

Nonsense.

, because I knew we would have more control over our own laws and regulations

Gosh yes, what a difference since Brexit.

, because we would be able to reduce red tape make the UK a more attractive country for business to invest in

Whan will that take effect?

, because it meant we could take back sovereignty

Tell me one sovereignty benefit that has made a difference to your life?

, and because the Germans bombed my mums house, bastards.

Probably your most sensible reason. The war is over f'boy.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

What? Keeping them afloat? They'd have been in an even bigger pickle outside the zone.

Which would have had global repercussions.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

I voted leave because I knew we would eventually.... we would be able to reduce red tape make the UK a more attractive country for business to invest in,

Only to be replaced with an enormous amount of other red tape, which made the UK less attractive country for inward investment.