To say, or not to say, that is the question

[RonnyRaygun]

For the above example, would you film the person and give evidence to the police,

Not easy to do - driving along and filming someone. But if I happened to have video, from say a dashboard camera, then why not? I'd contact them, although my educated guess is that it would not be admissible evidence.

No-one said you have to be driving yourself.

I doubt I would actually pursue them.

So protecting people is all important, as long as you don't have to go out of your way to do it?

 

[^woody^]

There is criminal law, which is to protect the public.

Then there is employment law to protect specific employees.

And is The Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 criminal or employment legislation?

Oh yes I can see your confusion, as both can result in criminal offences. I probably should have given them the correct terms of common and statue law, but I thought it would be clear.

One protects the whole population and is enforced by the Police. Typically the application of common law, and other offences against people, property or the state .

The other is specific to employment and enforced by the HSE. This is statute law for the specific and narrow protection of individuals in certain employment.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

No-one said you have to be driving yourself.

True, so I guess if their speed and direction relative to me meant I could film them, then why not?

So protecting people is all important, as long as you don't have to go out of your way to do it?

What I'm saying is that if you become aware of something then it is right and proper to report it. That doesn't mean that I'm saying that people should go on patrol looking for problems, or chasing after "offenders" etc.

So regarding that, and my vote for "Yes - safety is everyone's concern and it's my duty to speak up", what are you hoping to achieve by this salami-slicing about what I would or would not do in particular situations?

 

[^woody^]

So protecting people is all important, as long as you don't have to go out of your way to do it?

That was mentioned right on page one. As long as it's quick and easy, the nosey parkers are all to happy to stick their oars in.

 

[^woody^]

What I'm saying is that if you become aware of something then it is right and proper to report it.

You've surely reported several posts on this forum to the Police then for potential racist, criminal, and tax evasion offences?

 

[Newboy]

Oh yes I can see your confusion, as both can result in criminal offences

I'm not confused (well no more than usual )

H&S legislation is criminal law - a breach is tried in the criminal courts and results in a criminal conviction

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You've surely reported several posts on this forum to the Police then for potential racist, criminal, and tax evasion offences?

What are you hoping to achieve by this salami-slicing about what I would or would not do in particular situations?

 

[^woody^]

You've surely reported several posts on this forum to the Police then for potential racist, criminal, and tax evasion offences?

What are you hoping to achieve by this salami-slicing about what I would or would not do in particular situations?

I'm entertaining myself.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Little things....

 

[SimonH2]

no the point about that is, there was no incident this time, so if you had poked your nose in and rang H&S and they came out, held the job up for half a day, either told them they were ok doing what they were doing or they should be doing it another way, on that particular job the outcome would have been the same, nobody got hurt regardless.

Which, as others have pointed out is a really really stupid statement - which doesn't even justify a rebuttal. Your moral standards are clear for all to see.

 

[kazuya]

no the point about that is, there was no incident this time, so if you had poked your nose in and rang H&S and they came out, held the job up for half a day, either told them they were ok doing what they were doing or they should be doing it another way, on that particular job the outcome would have been the same, nobody got hurt regardless.

Which, as others have pointed out is a really really stupid statement - which doesn't even justify a rebuttal. Your moral standards are clear for all to see.

got to disagree, now if you had said they are walking across the top of a 9" wall, then it would have been completely different, as it was id give them the benefit of doupt and keep my nose out.

 

[SimonH2]

I think we're never going to disagree - lets leave it there !

 

[kazuya]

I think we're never going to disagree - lets leave it there !

well just one more thing earlier when i asked if the work was complete and did anyone get injured, you replied that the work was complete and nobody got injured, but that wasnt the point and went on to explain why that wasnt the point, you never added "but that was because i phoned H&S and they made them put up handrails etc", i wonder why? either you rang H&S and they did nothing, or you didnt ring in which case you have the same morals as me.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

got to disagree, now if you had said they are walking across the top of a 9" wall, then it would have been completely different, as it was id give them the benefit of doupt and keep my nose out.

I personally think you attitude is obnoxious to any right minded person.

 

[kazuya]

got to disagree, now if you had said they are walking across the top of a 9" wall, then it would have been completely different, as it was id give them the benefit of doupt and keep my nose out.

I personally think you attitude is obnoxious to any right minded person.

yea well at least im not getting posts removed for slagging people off