Vote leave breaking the law

Nozzle · 28 Mar 2018

I've not read the whole lot, I can't really be bothered. The Scotch is too good. Has anyone mentioned yet, that the people on the leave side contacted the Electoral Commission on two occasions regarding this spend, and on both occasions were given the green light?

Nozzle

Notch7 · 28 Mar 2018

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...axman-accused-targeting-brexit-backing-donors

ellal · 29 Mar 2018

transam said:
Opinions are a bit like **** holes , we have all got one

Thing is some of us don't use said '**** holes' to express their opinions

transam said:
electoral fraud u say Hmmm what like go's on in the EU

See that's where that ignorance raises it's head again.
Care to tell the source of this 'wisdom'?
(you've probably filed it next to the 'EU is undemocratic' rant folder

)

IWalkLikeHimaMartian · 29 Mar 2018

Notch7 said:
You are most welcome to include insults in your reply......it defines you as a person and highlights the weakness of your argument

Has eeyore turned over a new leaf?
I very much doubt it.

SirGalahad · 29 Mar 2018

Notch7 said:
If laws are broken then those guilty should be charged.

Everyone is agreement here.

Notch7 said:
However, did the undeclared funding actually make any material difference? I dont think so, its a case of looking for a smoking gun that does not exist.

This is a complex case of data taken from users without their consent, then used without their consent and then targeted at them as well as breaking spending limits, using front companies..

Notch7 said:
Did it make an unfair playing field? The Remain side had the advantage of having the government machine – and £9.3 million of public funds on clear campaign literature:

The Government spending is not at issue.

Notch7 said:
The government produced a 16-page leaflet, “Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK”, which was delivered to 27 million households in April (and in Scotland and Wales in May) 2016 at a cost to the public purse of £9.3 million, which did not count towards referendum expenditure

It was the position of the sitting Government to support Remain -which was all lawful. So conflating that with the spending limits is either disingenuous or missing the point.

Bodd · 29 Mar 2018

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Did it make an unfair playing field? The Remain side had the advantage of having the government machine – and £9.3 million of public funds on clear campaign literature:

The Government spending is not at issue.

It may not have been illegal, but is was an issue.

We were promised a fair honest Vote by our Remain leaning Prime Minister

£9.3 million Really

Bodd · 29 Mar 2018

£9.3 million of public funds on clear campaign literature:

To print a few Leaflets ??? that an awful lot of money.. This smells a little bit.

Notch7 · 29 Mar 2018

Kankerot said:
The Government spending is not at issue

Im not suggesting it was at issue.

Kankerot said:
It was the position of the sitting Government to support Remain -which was all lawful. So conflating that with the spending limits is either disingenuous or missing the point

Im not conflating any issue.

I was highlighting the fact that despite the government spending £9m as well as the remain campaign's £15m, all that money did not result in a majority.

So on that basis, did the undisclosed donations have a material difference to the outcome? the unauthorised data collection used for targeting can be included in that argument.

SirGalahad · 29 Mar 2018

Notch7 said:
So on that basis, did the undisclosed donations have a material difference to the outcome? the unauthorised data collection used for targeting can be included in that argument.

So the ends matter and not the means. That means breaking the law is acceptable if it results in the outcome you agree with. The Government could have spent double the amount and it would still have no bearing on the leave campaign issues. If you want to keep adding the Government spending to the debate then why isn't that an argument that CA etc have not used?

TicTac · 29 Mar 2018

Bodd said:
To print a few Leaflets ??? that an awful lot of money

Postage costs. Lucky they didn't do it later this year with prices going up again.

transam · 29 Mar 2018

ellal said:
Thing is some of us don't use said '**** holes' to express their opinions

See that's where that ignorance raises it's head again.
Care to tell the source of this 'wisdom'?
(you've probably filed it next to the 'EU is undemocratic' rant folder )

you obviously do

try a laxative to clear your ead

JohnD · 29 Mar 2018

Notch7 said:
, did the undisclosed donations have a material difference to the outcome? the unauthorised data collection used for targeting can be included in that argument.

Or to put it another way, why do you think the criminal suspects went to all that trouble and expense?

You think they did it because it wouldn't make any difference?

Yeah, right.

IWalkLikeHimaMartian · 30 Mar 2018

Notch7 said:
So on that basis, did the undisclosed donations have a material difference to the outcome?

JohnD said:
Or to put it another way, why do you think the criminal suspects went to all that trouble and expense?
You think they did it because it wouldn't make any difference?
.

If we are talking about whether charges should or should not be brought, the material difference that the criminal act made to the outcome is not the yardstick in use.
If criminal acts were perpetrated, that is the measure by which charges should be brought, irrespective of whether they made any material difference or not.

Notch7 · 30 Mar 2018

wannabeDIY said:
If we are talking about whether charges should or should not be brought, the material difference that the criminal act made to the outcome is not the yardstick in use.
If criminal acts were perpetrated, that is the measure by which charges should be brought, irrespective of whether they made any material difference or not

Do keep up, I said those guilty should be charged in post 49.

I never suggested any criminal act should be measured by whether it made a material difference. But you are welcome to conflate if it makes you happy. I expect all those excuses you have to make for your keyboard not evolving cause a lack of concentration

. Or it could just be stupidity

IWalkLikeHimaMartian · 30 Mar 2018

Notch7 said:
You are most welcome to include insults in your reply......it defines you as a person and highlights the weakness of your argument

wannabeDIY said:
Has eeyore turned over a new leaf?
I very much doubt it.

I was right, absolutely spot on!

Notch7 said:
Do keep up,
But you are welcome to conflate if it makes you happy. I expect all those excuses you have to make for your keyboard not evolving cause a lack of concentration . Or it could just be stupidity

Obviously he was having a personality issue the other day.