Will I need a rewire for 1950s house

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Hello, we're in the process of buying a house built circa 1958 that needs a bit of work. Ideally we would be able to replace the fuse box with a new one without a rewire. An extension was added in 86 but the vendor being quite old doesn't have any information on the wiring within the extension or the rest of the house. My surveyor sent over a picture of the fuse box. I attach this. Can anyone advise if a rewire is likely? Really don't want to fork out 4-5k on this
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Nah it wouldn’t necessarly need rewireing.

Looks more modern to me than the dates you give.

Cant see an earth wire in the pic
 
Would the earthing be fixed by simply replacing the fuse box?
 
With plastic rather than rubber cable the socket wiring may be OK, however 1966 the rules changed for lighting, at that point an earth was required on lights, and with that fuse box, it will not be easy to add RCD protection. There is nothing to say you must upgrade, so as long as the cables are plastic they are unlikely to have degraded to a point needing renewal.

The problem arises when you want to modify or add things, or if some one has already modified or added things, so in the main lights with out earths means no metal fittings or switches and covers over any screws in the switches if back box has been changed from original wood back boxes. No fluorescent lamps as getting a class II fluorescent is near impossible.

Most people want an extra socket here or there, or a chandelier, or a metal back plate to light switch and even fitting a cooker could be a problem if the manufacturer says install to BS7671:2008 or similar.

My dad's house was 1954, so 4 years older than yours, he was proud when he moved in as there was a 13A socket in every room where my grand father only had a 15A socket in hall and landing. So as built 7 x 13A sockets. He had spurs from spurs fuse connection units feeding fuse connection units and by time it was down to me to look after some thing like 7 sockets in every room, so the circuits were grossly over loaded and finding the original socket in the room took some hunting.

Around 2004 I had to do a lot of work in the house due to mother loosing a leg, and we were offered to have a new consumer unit instead of fuse box for £150 as the electrician was doing other work in the house, I told dad yes that's a really good price, Part P was in by then so it was far better to have it done by some one who could certify their own work. When I arrived at the house the poor guy was pulling his hair out as there was no way he could get the RCD to hold in. He had no test gear (makes me wonder if really an electrician) and I went to borrow my sons, there were earth faults galore and he ended up fitting an isolator instead of the RCD promising to return next day, we never saw him again, lucky at that time RCD on all circuits was still not in the rule book, so had to register work with LABC and take over the job.

You are likely to find if an electrician tries to change the consumer unit (CU) he will have the same problem and it's a full rewire or nothing. So if you change nothing likely you will be OK, but to change a single socket or switch or light fitting will likely mean whole rewire.

So you need to plan on whole rewire, but you can likely delay it until you want to start upgrading.

Next door had their house rewired in the 1980's and it may be your house has already been rewired once, houses even in 1978 when our first house was built had just 4 fuses, lights, immersion heater, ring final, and cooker, fact that you have 6 points to it may have been rewired already once.

As to size my house was three bedroom, so even in the 80's three bedroom was 4 fuse. Clearly larger houses would have more fuses, there was a version of that fuse box which could take on 45A fuse, but in the main limited to 32A so forget any ideas of an electric shower.
 
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Thanks for the detailed reply! To confirm, we can't upgrade the consumer unit without a full rewire? Sorry, I'm new to all this
 
From my experience of renovating a house that I originally said didn't need rewiring (was rewired circa 1990), once you start adding extra sockets and moving lights/light switches to where you want them, you'll pretty much end up fully rewiring anyway!

It may be worth just accepting it's something you'll likely have to do. It'll give you peace of mind that everything is done properly and you'll have sockets etc. where you want them.
 
But unless you plan on doing the refurb work before you move in (BGI for electrics, if you can), wait until you've lived there for a bit and have worked out where you want sockets and switches etc.
 
Thanks for the detailed reply! To confirm, we can't upgrade the consumer unit without a full rewire? Sorry, I'm new to all this

A consumer unit can be replaced without a rewire, subject to testing on the existing wiring being checked out.
You should take the (unusually correct) advice from your surveyor.
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Find a qualified electrician who specialises in inspections and ask for an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR). It shouldnt be more than 200 notes and you'll then know what, if anything, needs attention. It will give you an opportunity to negotiate something off the aking price.

Remember that it will be easier and less disruptive if any remedial works are done before the place is decorated, filled with furntiture, carpets and other flooring laid.
 
The key word is highlighted in red. And how long it takes depends upon how many accessories per circuit you inspect.
With a report of many pages to be written up as well the reality is it cannot sensibly be charged at less than a day's labour unless perhaps severe limitations were agreed with the person ordering the work (and even then it's likely to be substantially a day's work).

I'm not suggesting that they can't sometimes be done for £200 for a domestic installation, but to suggest that it shouldn't cost more than that is frankly a nonsense. Most businesses seek to make profit.
 
Thanks for your replies. Having had another look today I can only see one socket in each of the bedrooms so a rewire looks like it will be on the cards :(
 
One socket in each bedroom was the norm at that time.
A rewire is not necessary just to add a few more sockets.
However, for an installation of that age, much remedial work will be needed and the time to do it is before the house gets occupied. Get an installation report done, then you’ll know the extent of the task.
 
I don't even think I'd waste money on an installation report myself, looking at the consumer unit and the lack of sockets, you'll end up rewiring anyway
 
Before fitting a new consumer unit the electrician should test the existing circuits to ensure they will not trip the new RCD's when fitted, as long as this is done, there is no reason why a new consumer unit can't be fitted. I would say for an older house all RCBO's so any leakage fault is limited to one circuit.

The testing required before changing the fuse box for a consumer unit will clearly take some time, but no where near the time taken to do a full EICR and one would hope the electrician would point out any really bad faults, he would not be removing every socket as with an EICR and checking there are grommets no signs of burning and all terminals are tight, however likely you will want to add sockets and other things, so getting a full EICR after you have finished means your work also checked.
 

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