I happen to think H&S Nazis numb and dumb our perceptiveness of danger. I happen to believe it has a negative effect.
(Yet) More Elfin Safety nonsense
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It depends on how its managed, agreed the publicity it has got recently is negative but that can be put down to peoples interpretations and media sensationalism to fill papers.
Most RA's and method statements work very well if done by people who understand the task being proposed.
As you cannot see the reasoning of my post, this will make you an ideal candidate for a health and safety consultant...........
whats the benefits of wearing a real tie anyway?
some people here have said 'life is for living, fk health and safety' or something along those lines. i really cant see what great life experience we are robbing the children of by making them wear a clip on tie
some people here have said 'life is for living, fk health and safety' or something along those lines. i really cant see what great life experience we are robbing the children of by making them wear a clip on tie
The point of the thread is to point out that H&S has gone completely overboard, not wether a child should wear a clip on tie or normal wrap around one.
I attended a H&S course recently and one example was were a council empolyee was chatting in the office and said an apple had fallen out a tree in the park and just missed him. Someone overhearing the conversation notified his H&S rep who immediatelylaunched an investigation, went out to the said tree with a colleague, did a risk assessment and then cordorned the tree off with rigid barriers until all the apples had fallen or been plucked off! FFS!!!
If this is a true story both of them should have been sacked for wasting public money!
Apples fall from trees. FACT!
People DO occassinally get struck by one. FACT!
People do things in life which have an element of risk! FACT!
Deal with it and get a life!!!
Or curl up in your bed and slowly die.
(Rant over, for now
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I attended a H&S course recently and one example was were a council empolyee was chatting in the office and said an apple had fallen out a tree in the park and just missed him. Someone overhearing the conversation notified his H&S rep who immediatelylaunched an investigation, went out to the said tree with a colleague, did a risk assessment and then cordorned the tree off with rigid barriers until all the apples had fallen or been plucked off! FFS!!!
If this is a true story both of them should have been sacked for wasting public money!Apples fall from trees. FACT!
People DO occassinally get struck by one. FACT!
People do things in life which have an element of risk! FACT!
Deal with it and get a life!!!
Or curl up in your bed and slowly die.
(Rant over, for now
)conny I have to disagree with your generalisation as the odd one or two stories you hear in papers and on tv are vastly out-numbered by the millions of assessments that are carried out every year without problems.
This is more about peoples perceptions than hard facts methinks
Now, Tim. Normally you are very sensible and you post v funny responses. But you seem to have had something put in your tea for this thread. Too much time spent on set in the days of demarcation, maybe?
Elfin Safety would perhaps be better perceived, acted upon and followed, if there was a modicum of commonsense applied in its implementation.
For example, you tell me why, on a site with nothing on it other than a digger and a driver, that I have to wear a hard hat? Why I have to chuck said hat away after three years? Why I have to write RAs and MSs for doing bloody house surveys?
I have a kiddy coming to do work experience with me in a few weeks' time. No CRB check required, amazingly, but my Elfin Safety poster has to be up and as a result of the assessment carried out on me, I have to....put a fire extinguisher in my car. Logic?
Elfin Safety is unfortunately now so ingrained in this world that there are not many who actually agree that it might actually be reasonable for them to have to assume responsibility for their own actions; there is always someone else to do the thinking for them and who will carry the can if anything happens.
I'm not advocating a return to kids up the chimneys, but, ffs, there must be a middle ground where winey, insignificant, little tin gods who pray to the Rlfin God will not have the capacity to invade people's lives to the extent that they currently are able to do.
Elfin Safety would perhaps be better perceived, acted upon and followed, if there was a modicum of commonsense applied in its implementation.
For example, you tell me why, on a site with nothing on it other than a digger and a driver, that I have to wear a hard hat? Why I have to chuck said hat away after three years? Why I have to write RAs and MSs for doing bloody house surveys?
I have a kiddy coming to do work experience with me in a few weeks' time. No CRB check required, amazingly, but my Elfin Safety poster has to be up and as a result of the assessment carried out on me, I have to....put a fire extinguisher in my car. Logic?
Elfin Safety is unfortunately now so ingrained in this world that there are not many who actually agree that it might actually be reasonable for them to have to assume responsibility for their own actions; there is always someone else to do the thinking for them and who will carry the can if anything happens.
I'm not advocating a return to kids up the chimneys, but, ffs, there must be a middle ground where winey, insignificant, little tin gods who pray to the Rlfin God will not have the capacity to invade people's lives to the extent that they currently are able to do.
Unfortunately its more than that, due to the compensation culture now pervading every area of our lives.
Ridiculous decisions have to be made to prevent situations occurring where you can be sued.
Its an American import we could do without.
The compensation culture maybe? but the H&S Act is british through and through
The argument I was proposing is that its the people doing some assessments badly that are causing problems and that H&S in itself is not fundamently flawed.
Because it's yet another example of some risk that is, when all is said and done, insignificant in the scheme of things.
If you can come up with an assessment or statement that shows that there is no need to carry an extinguisher in your car then you can cover yourself if you have to attend court.
My Lexus has a nag screen that comes on every time the car is started - what it actually says, I don't recall, as I've only ever looked for the agree button. There used to be an easter egg which would get around it...but, for legal reasons, was removed from the updated version which is in my car. Apparently, the "reason" was that someone might use it, crash the car, get injured, sue Lexus.
It is this kind of complete and utter bawlix that the HS legislation and blame culture help to promulgate.
And yet, I can step out of this nannified car and hop straight on my Ducati, with no safety garbage, other than a lid. That is how it should be: it is my right to determine for myself what risks I am prepared to take in living my life and I do not need some inconsequential little turd in a windowless basement preparing legislation in my name, compelling me to live a riskless existence.
It is this kind of complete and utter bawlix that the HS legislation and blame culture help to promulgate.
And yet, I can step out of this nannified car and hop straight on my Ducati, with no safety garbage, other than a lid. That is how it should be: it is my right to determine for myself what risks I am prepared to take in living my life and I do not need some inconsequential little turd in a windowless basement preparing legislation in my name, compelling me to live a riskless existence.
I have driven a variety of vehicles over a 33 year period. And not once have I ever needed to use a fire extinguisher.
Apart from as a wheel chock when changing a wheel.
But we don't wish to spend our lives doing pointless assessments, we just want to use common sense, and have no desire to be nannied.
Where did we sign up to being controlled.