Israeli UN man seems to think that a ceasefire doesn't need a release of all hostages. The US lady said something that made me wonder about that. Suppose best option is to go find the motion. Hamas has offered a release of some for a ceasefire. Maybe the negotiation is more bombs until all are released.
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They never could as the US would just vote against it which means veto. How ever a mention in your source of the US view doesn't mean it's actually correct. There appears to be the start of a debate. Have to wait and see as the chances are that Israel may well take no notice of it at all. Another TBD.
Maybe the best answer is an SAS hit squad or US contractors via the CIA MOSAD are pretty good at that sort of thing. Russia maybe even better. Saudi have experience.Benny Ganz is a great bloke. Proud of sending parts of Gaza back to the stone age in previous fights.
The other sort of ceasefire - Israel runs out of things to hit.
Funnily enough many of those who support the Israeli state's actions in Gaza/West Bank claim that all Palestinians want to annihilate the state of Israel...
Does that mean it's going to happen?
They never could as the US would just vote against it which means veto. How ever a mention in your source of the US view doesn't mean it's actually correct. There appears to be the start of a debate. Have to wait and see as the chances are that Israel may well take no notice of it at all. Another TBD.
Benny Ganz is a great bloke. Proud of sending parts of Gaza back to the stone age in previous fights.
The other sort of ceasefire - Israel runs out of things to hit.
UN resolution carried demanding an immediate ceasefire not dependent on the release of hostages.
The UK and USA have today aligned themselves with Russia and China.
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Not entirely both wanted different things added over and above the ceasefire etc.
Also as the wording of the original motion had been changed Russia had the option of introducing a motion to vote on first. This was to restore the original wording. Many abstentions and one veto from you can guess who.
The debate about the wording must have started before the time came to vote on the main motion but it still moved the time of that on by 20 odd mins.
Word change. Permanent ceasefire changed to lasting ceasefire.
I tried to read the actual motion but got a security error.
The resolution, which the US said it did not agree with in its entirety, calls for an “immediate ceasefire” for the duration of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which ends in two weeks. It calls for the ceasefire to lead to a “lasting” truce, for the release of all hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, and for respect for international law from each party when it comes to detainments.
Hamas said it was committed to the conditions of the resolution and said Israel must be held accountable in adhering to it. “It is the role of the international community to oblige Israel and to end this double standard,” Basem Naim, a senior official in Hamas’s political bureau, told Al Jazeera.
[The Israeli ambassador] said the resolution failed to demand a ceasefire without “conditioning” it on the release of captives in Gaza, saying it “undermines the efforts to secure their release”. “It is harmful to these efforts because it gives Hamas terrorists hope to get a ceasefire without releasing the hostages. All members of the council … should have voted against this shameless resolution,” he said.
No Justice. No Peace@Al Jazeera
Even Donald Trump says “You have to finish up your war,” in an interview that the right-wing newspaper Hayom said had been recorded over the weekend. “You have to finish it up, you got to get it done.”
Will Netanyahu come to his senses?
Britain and America really need this conflict to wrap up sooner rather than later - Russia is the priority: the war in Ukraine will drag on for another year, depleting military supplies and requiring more economic muscle to keep Ukraine supplied, while yesterdays debate in the HoC on China illustrates how important it will be to keep a sharp eye on them.
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Since the outbreak of the war in Gaza, more than 200 cultural heritage sites have been destroyed alongside numerous archives, universities, and museums. There have been reports of the Israeli army looting historical artefacts and even displaying some of them at the Knesset.
Beyond producing cultural amnesia around what it means to be Palestinian, heritage destruction symbolises the negation of Palestinian history and right to land. The Israeli obliteration of Palestinian memory is intentional. It is a genocidal strategy, according to the definition laid out by the Polish-Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term “genocide” in 1944. This effort to destroy physical links between Palestinians and their heritage is aimed at erasing Palestinian presence and legitimising Israeli settler colonialism.
The ability to make claims in the present based on material records of the past endows archaeology with great power. Quite literally, archaeologists provide the physical evidence required for the making of historical narratives. Archaeologists thus carry a moral obligation to inform the public of its deeply political nature. It is no coincidence that, as the Palestinian-American anthropologist Nadia Abu El-Haj has written, Israel is known for using archaeology strategically to legitimise its status as a historical nation in the Abrahamic Holy Lands rather than a modern nation-state founded in 1948.
Hilary Leatham@Al Jazeera
Beyond producing cultural amnesia around what it means to be Palestinian, heritage destruction symbolises the negation of Palestinian history and right to land. The Israeli obliteration of Palestinian memory is intentional. It is a genocidal strategy, according to the definition laid out by the Polish-Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term “genocide” in 1944. This effort to destroy physical links between Palestinians and their heritage is aimed at erasing Palestinian presence and legitimising Israeli settler colonialism.
The ability to make claims in the present based on material records of the past endows archaeology with great power. Quite literally, archaeologists provide the physical evidence required for the making of historical narratives. Archaeologists thus carry a moral obligation to inform the public of its deeply political nature. It is no coincidence that, as the Palestinian-American anthropologist Nadia Abu El-Haj has written, Israel is known for using archaeology strategically to legitimise its status as a historical nation in the Abrahamic Holy Lands rather than a modern nation-state founded in 1948.
Hilary Leatham@Al Jazeera
There are other bits and pieces. Listening to the entire debate didn't help much. The actual motion appears to be here
It wont allow me to download it / open that page.
The US one was regarded as unbalanced as it included a lot about the HAMAS atrocities and nothing what so ever about Israel's actions during this war. The abstainer was most eloquent on that aspect pointing out that all know what could be added. If any were included the US would vote against and veto it. This one had several pages. Words are important - too many of them.
The latest one fitted easily on a single page and was very direct but did not criticise either side. Apart from the main ceasefire aspects it just says meet international law etc. It's all crazy really but from the US point of view if a motion points out that Israel is doing something specifically against international law it will go down in history. They don't want that so out comes the veto.. This is why they use so many of them. So a motion has been passed that in this area just states they should do what they should do under international law - which in some areas they aren't.
Isn't it strange that the period wasn't extended to 6weeks which is what all appear to want. More time to extend it. More time to get aid in etc.
A ceasefire deal - one that it appears HAMAS would accept has already been penned and used.
LOL and the pen is supposed to be more mighty than the sword.
But no match for a gun, both sides know this.
Although the most vocal opponents of a Palestinian state are still reluctant to actually pick one up...
A proposed bill to extend compulsory military service to ultra-Orthodox students, historically exempt from conscription, has ignited a fierce debate in Israel, with Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly warning that failure to pass the law could jeopardise the stability of the government.
Israel has mandatory army service but for decades made an exemption for ultra-Orthodox Jews, also known as Haredi, who are allowed to continue full-time Torah study. The proposal, as Israel approaches six months since the 7 October Hamas attacks that began the war in Gaza, seeks to extend the duration of military service for conscripts and raise the age for reservists, while also urging an end to the customary exemptions granted to yeshiva students.
It envisages ultra-Orthodox battalions in the Israel Defense Forces but does not set an annual quota for the enlistment of Haredi men.
The Guardian
The orthodox lot have always been a strange bunch, most people avoided them when I was in that neck of the woods. Funnily enough, ten times more Israeli Arabs are voluntarily joining the IDF than 3 years ago, mainly Palestinian extraction with a smattering of Christians, no mention of Bedouins or Drews.
Israel's Arab soldiers who fight for the Jewish state
A look at the Arab soldiers choosing to serve in Israel's army despite intense criticism back home.
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It is complicated, but an overwhelming majrity of Palestinians support Hamas while a minority of Ultra-orthodox Jews have effectively taken over Israeli policy:
The law, which will be discussed by ministers [today], has ignited a contentious debate in Israel. The prime minister has informed ministers in his Likud party that he is standing firm while Benny Gantz, a political rival of Netanyahu, has declared his willingness to resign from the emergency unity government if the law is approved, calling it a political compromise rather than a conscription solution for all society.
After Benny's flight to D.C it's clear the divisions in the War Cabinet run deep and could widen if this law is passed.
Near 8 year old article and the member of the IDF says well it's a job, I can live comfortably etc.
Not many loads of rubble overnight to search for bodies. Maybe just one.
A UN spokes person states any motion that is passed becomes law. Suggests that if it's not met there should be another one.
The motion does mention hostage release. I'd rather read it myself. I suspect all hostages without any terms - something HAMAS will not want to accept. The negotiations - only the usual comments that have been made ever since the ceasefire started being discussed.
Not many loads of rubble overnight to search for bodies. Maybe just one.
A UN spokes person states any motion that is passed becomes law. Suggests that if it's not met there should be another one.
The motion does mention hostage release. I'd rather read it myself. I suspect all hostages without any terms - something HAMAS will not want to accept. The negotiations - only the usual comments that have been made ever since the ceasefire started being discussed.
Indeed...
And in my experience in Israel they are nonetheless happy to stone anyone who dares to 'trespass' in their 'territory' on the imaginary 'holy day'...
Extremists are extremists whatever hat they wear!
In terms of the context of the comments I don't think it's possible to tie down any of the problems down to a particular Jewish sect. It's just unrealistic. The fact that one sect doesn't want to fight doesn't really relate to the views or issues as seen amongst the whole population. Left and Right. They had a Left on the box the other night - views rather similar to the Right.
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