Calais port and strike

[Belboz]

Somebody said they were shocked at Sweden, but Sweden has a population of less than 10million and land mass nearly twice that of the UK.

It was me who said that and I said shocked because of:

(a) Sweden's geographical location in relation to where the asylum seekers originate from
(b) its costs of living
(c) its internal geography and climate

Nothing to do with population or land mass.

 

[joe-90]

But do they stay in Sweden? Once getting permanent status do they move on? I would do it that way if were seeking asylum. Wouldn't you?

 

[JBR]

Several thousand now line up on the other side of the Channel determined to get to the UK. What happens when there are tens of thousands? What happens if they start setting off in boats and rafts by the thousand? It's not a long way and if they are prepared to risk the hundred miles or so across the Med it won't be long before they set off across the Channel.

And I'm not talking about general immigration. I've said before I've got no real issue with it. As far as I'm concerned people come, people go and the World keeps turning. But, to repeat myself, this is not normal and has the potential to change this Country beyond recognition.

Exactly my point. We have had immigration from foreign parts for many years. I remember in my childhood West Indians arriving and, shortly afterwards, Pakistanis. In those days, they came because we asked them to.

I believe the rot set in after we joined the EU. (Of course, we never did. We joined the EEC; the EU was foist upon us by politicians.) Despite warnings, the flood gates opened and many came - quite legally, as it happened. Some of the East Europeans are, I'm sure, hard working people.

I believe the real problem is more recent: the hoards who cross the Med. and, once in Italy, find no barriers to travelling to Calais. We all know why Calais, of course. From what I've seen and heard, they bring nothing of any value to the well-being of this country. Of course, the root cause is, again, the EU: free passage across the continent.

If the Germans want to take them in, good luck to them. The Frogs have no reason to stop them coming in from Italy as they know they are not stopping, at least not for any length of time. At least our border control people are making a half-hearted attempt to stop them entering our country, with little or no help from the French I might add.

The annoying thing is that with a stroke of the pen, Wimpy Dave could call a halt by denying them handouts, housing, free healthcare, etc., but I shall not hold my breath.

 

[joe-90]

They don't get them as it is.

 

[Gasman28]

Quite right JBR. We as a nation handed out passports to all in the Commonwealth because of the shortage of labour here after the war. The West Indians worked on the buses and underground etc and without them, it would have collapsed. They were hard working people, prepared to put the hours in for a good life in our country. Today is a different matter, but not everytime. There are many bosses in this country that take advantage of cheap foreign labour, so who can blame the migrants for wanting to have a better life? Unfortunately, not all are of the mindset to work, pay taxes and integrate. We need controlled immigration, that is a given. We need the skillset that immigrants can bring to our country and economy.
So what is the solution? First, get our indigenous Jeremy Kyle watching parasites off their Stella drinking backsides and have some pride in our once great country. That will only happen if the minimum wage was increased and their benefits capped.
Secondly, try somehow, to intervene in the traffickers in Northern Africa. Surely, in this day and age of surveillance, someone must know their whereabouts?
Before their boats set sail, blow them out of the water.
On the TV news tonight, our population is now over 64 million. In the last year, immigrants have contributed to over half the rise.

 

[joe-90]

Yes but that is 'Net' migration. Hundreds of thousands of educated Brits leave the country to be replaced by peasants from Romania. Not much of a swap is it? So we really get many more than immigration figures show.

 

[Whitespirit66]

On the TV news tonight, our population is now over 64 million.

That's a rise of approx. 4 million in a few years. Still, I would take the 64m figure with a pinch of salt. It's an official statistic, and official statistics are often wrong or manipulated for political reasons. UK crime stats, for example, are notoriously massaged and under-counted, making them about as reliable as a dingo babysitter. The UK population figure can only be a guesstimate with our porous borders. Add a few million more to get nearer the truth.

 

[Gasman28]

Yes but that is 'Net' migration. Hundreds of thousands of educated Brits leave the country to be replaced by peasants from Romania. Not much of a swap is it? So we really get many more than immigration figures show.

So what would you do Joe?

 

[Gasman28]

On the TV news tonight, our population is now over 64 million.

That's a rise of approx. 4 million in a few years. Still, I would take the 64m figure with a pinch of salt. It's an official statistic, and official statistics are often wrong or manipulated for political reasons. UK crime stats, for example, are notoriously massaged and under-counted, making them about as reliable as a dingo babysitter. The UK population figure can only be a guesstimate with our porous borders. Add a few million more to get nearer the truth.

Get the Army involved, both here and Calais.

 

[joe-90]

Nothing can be done. It's just a matter of time until there are riots and murder on the streets of the UK. The first thing to do would be to bulldoze all the sheds with beds because that's where they live. Inspect hotels and restaurants and shut them down if they are found to knowingly employ illegals. With no work and nowhere to live it would soon flush them out. But as I've said before, the government wants dirt cheap labour in London. Nothing will be done until the people rise up and do it for themselves. The migrants may be fleeing civil war - but they'll cause one right here in the UK. The pressure in the boiler is rising.

 

[Belboz]

Whilst it is true that The EU set the guidance for EU nationals and open borders, EU guidance in respect of refugees/asylum seekers merely codifies what The UK agreed to as a member of The UN. The policy in respect of refugees/asylum seekers goes back decades and we were one of the countries who fully signed up to it. End result is that full withdrawal from The EU may result in the cessation of migrant workers from the rest of The EU (albeit I assume we would still take those with key skills) it would not abrogate our responsibilities under The UN conventions in respect of refugees and asylum seekers. Under the convention, we would still be duty-bound to accept genuine refugees and asylum seekers BUT...

IMHO - the whole issue is the ease of access to The UK. Who can remember this being an issue prior to the completion of the tunnel? How many times did we see lorries or containers full of illegal immigrants arriving by sea? Yes - there were some high-profile cases and we can be sure that some went unreported or undiscovered. However, the open border which the tunnel has created has only brought chaos like we have seen at Calais.

 

[Gasman28]

Nothing can be done. It's just a matter of time until there are riots and murder on the streets of the UK. The first thing to do would be to bulldoze all the sheds with beds because that's where they live. Inspect hotels and restaurants and shut them down if they are found to knowingly employ illegals. With no work and nowhere to live it would soon flush them out. But as I've said before, the government wants dirt cheap labour in London. Nothing will be done until the people rise up and do it for themselves. The migrants may be fleeing civil war - but they'll cause one right here in the UK. The pressure in the boiler is rising.

So, nothing can be done? Contradiction there Joe. So, if the the hotels / restaurants were to be closed, what happens to the illegals? Send them back - to where? The UK Border Police are undermanned / overworked now. What do we do? Employ more people? Who pays for that? No-one has answered the indigenous population question.

 

[joe-90]

The illegals will jump into lorries to get back to Calais. We'll leave the doors open.

 

[Gasman28]

Still no answers then

 

[handyjack]

We must stop criminalising illegal immigrants. Instead we should make them outlaws (outside of the law) with no benefits of any kind.