English calais idiots

[blightymam]

Only one word in your comment is applicable! The rest is nonsense that surrounds that one word describing terrorists!
Terrorism is real and deserves to be addressed. But to associate all and any migrants with that label is racist!

You have again stopped thinking Himmy. Try reading and understanding my post before you type.
There are so many reasons, as mentioned rightly or wrongly, why people are now becoming fearful and racism or perceived racism is on the rise. I am not labeling anyone, that's your favourite pastime.

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

You have again stopped thinking Himmy..

Your statement somehow suggests that he has ever had a thought.

 

[Doggit]

Only one word in your comment is applicable! The rest is nonsense that surrounds that one word describing terrorists!
Terrorism is real and deserves to be addressed. But to associate all and any migrants with that label is racist!

Now here's where we have a problem with you Himmy, you took Blightys comments, and simply twisted them. He referred to ISIS as creating fear, and he also quoted other things as creating fear as well, and in failing to see the connection he made, I wonder how much you are able to understand human perceptions.

No matter what we try and discuss, you always refer to any comment made as a being a racist one. Discussion mean just that, talking backwards and forward about various ideas and perception, it doesn't mean attacking someone else's viewpoint, so why do you continue to do it.

 

[blightymam]

Your statement somehow suggests that he has ever had a thought.

Thing is, I don't think he's ever come up with a single helpful way to tackle what he calls racism. He just lives to tell people off like he's better than them. I would rather he proved that he IS in some ways better by helping, not just shouting and ostracising himself.

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Thing is, I don't think he's ever come up with a single helpful way to tackle what he calls racism. He just lives to tell people off like he's better than them. I would rather he proved that he IS in some ways better by helping, not just shouting and ostracising himself.

Blighty, you are still far too kind to him...In my opinion, he is a cheese brain.

 

[Doggit]

I am assuming that you are not a different race than the Irish, i.e. you are white, in which case it cannot be a "racist" remark.

If you said all black people are ignorant, that would be racist

You've got to stop being pedantic EFL, Race is defined by nationalities, not colour. I'm white, but half English, and Half Greek, but just because I'm white, doesn't mean I wouldn't be making racist remarks abut other white nationalities. The Turks and Greeks on Cyprus are all the same colour, but there's a lot of problems between them. We've been through the next argument before, but there are loads of black nations who are racist against other black nations.

It's not as simplistic as being only ne colour against another.

 

[EFLImpudence]

You've got to stop being pedantic EFL, Race is defined by nationalities, not colour.

NO, IT IS NOT.

I'm white, but half English, and Half Greek, but just because I'm white, doesn't mean I wouldn't be making racist remarks abut other white nationalities.

Yes, it does.

The Turks and Greeks on Cyprus are all the same colour, but there's a lot of problems between them.

It's not racist, though, is it?

We've been through the next argument before, but there are loads of black nations who are racist against other black nations.

No, there aren't.

It's not as simplistic as being only one colour against another.

It is as simple as one race against another.

The clue is in the name - RACISM.

There is a lot of racism in the US.
They could all be the same nationality, religion, whatever, but it's between different races.

What on earth is so difficult to understand?

 

[handyjack]

Now here's where we have a problem with you Himmy, you took Blightys comments, and simply twisted them. He She referred to ISIS as creating fear, and he also quoted other things as creating fear as well, and in failing to see the connection he she made, I wonder how much you are able to understand human perceptions.

No matter what we try and discuss, you always refer to any comment made as a being a racist one. Discussion mean just that, talking backwards and forward about various ideas and perception, it doesn't mean attacking someone else's viewpoint, so why do you continue to do it.

 

[Shutpa]

Describing immigrants as "animals", "lawless mob",or "the enemy" is racially offensive!
No two ways about it.

Something is a racist and can be reported to the police.....if the victim or anyone else, thinks it was carried out because of hostility or prejudice based on race (including online abuse!).

 

[Judy in the sky]

Something is a racist and can be reported to the police.....if the victim or anyone else, thinks it was carried out because of hostility or prejudice based on race (including online abuse!).

And there's the big problem, if anyone else thinks it's racist, even though the original person the comment was aimed at didn't think it was racist. According to some on here, we're all racist (and if we're all racist, then this also includes all races) I know Pakistani people who hate white people, but are never accused of racism. Is racism a one way street? Seems so, but it should not be.

 

[EFLImpudence]

And there's the big problem, if anyone else thinks it's racist, even though the original person the comment was aimed at didn't think it was racist.

Yes, that is a problem but then someone else would have to decide.
I don't think it is down to just someone thinking it was for the sake of it.

According to some on here, we're all racist (and if we're all racist, then this also includes all races) I know Pakistani people who hate white people, but are never accused of racism. Is racism a one way street? Seems so, but it should not be.

It sort of is because of history but you are quite entitled to pursue the matter if you wish.



For the benefit of the confused, I think Shutpa should have emboldened a bit more:

"Something is a racist and can be reported to the police.....if the victim or anyone else, thinks it was carried out because of hostility or prejudice based on race (including online abuse!)."

 

[Himaginn]

"based on race ."

You've got to stop being pedantic EFL, Race is defined by nationalities, not colour.
It's not as simplistic as being only one colour against another.

I think you’re trying to make this dictionary definition about a socially complex word into an argument, and it’s not going to work the way you think it will.
Dictionaries are these man-made documents that are supposed to somehow be an authority on how we speak and write, but that is practically impossible!
No document could possibly capture the variations and nuances of a language.
People seem to view dictionaries as being objective, like they don’t have a stake in what they’re describing, but that isn’t the case.
Dictionaries express a point of view, an opinion, nothing more. People insist on pointing to dictionary definitions in arguments, but they don’t consider whose opinion they’re pointing to!
Dictionaries as books describing language are historically prescriptive – that means they were meant to tell people how they should speak.
The prescriptivist vs. descriptivist divide continues to this day, and most modern dictionaries for mass audiences try to straddle the two camps.
So the language in dictionaries tends to reflect the opinions of white, straight, academic men on what is acceptable English language, including the exclusion and denigration of different dialects and usages.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/dictionary-definition-racism/

Elfi, you need to lose this pedantic description of racism in order to excuse blatant racism.
Think in terms of population groups, if you wish. If you wish to think of it in terms of xenophobia, nationalistic, etc, to all intents and purposes, it's racism:

xenophobia
zɛnəˈfəʊbɪə/
noun

1. dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
   "racism and xenophobia are steadily growing in Europe"
   synonyms:racism, racial hatred, ethnocentrism, ethnocentricity;

 

[JohnD]

If the anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, anti-Muslim, anti-Catholic ranters prefer to describe themselves as Fascists rather than as Racists, they are free to do so.

 

[Foxtrot Oscar]

If the anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, anti-Muslim, anti-Catholic ranters prefer to describe themselves as Fascists rather than as Racists, they are free to do so.

OK, so you see yourself as a Fascist...We can live with that.

 

[Shutpa]

Something is a racist incident and can be reported to the police.....if the victim or anyone else, thinks it was carried out because of hostility or prejudice based on race (including online abuse!).

For the benefit of the confused, I think Shutpa should have emboldened a bit more:
"Something is a racist and can be reported to the police.....if the victim or anyone else, thinks it was carried out because of hostility or prejudice based on race (including online abuse!)."

Readers may have been confused because I omitted the word 'incident'. Now that that has been corrected, I don't think further clarification is required. Racist incidents are based on race!