For those against corporal punishment....

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imamartian

i'd like to understand your compassion...

we see so many news stories these days of murder and torture...baby P, James Bulger, the girl strangled in the Asda lorry etc etc...

Most of us get, through our lives, a view of horrific death. Be it on the news, or on TV dramas (such as CSI, the Bill etc). But all we see... as bad as it seems, is the sanitised version... even horrific, death/horror/satanic type films at the cinema have to go through a censor to decide if we (or the most hardened viewer) can see it.

Whereas... the reality....have you ever jammed a shrp thing under your finger nail? have you ever been scared... like really scared? Have you ever felt like your life was in peril? Well multiply this feeling by 100.

Try to imagine a helpless child with seering pain and the intollerable sense of fear from being away from your loved ones....and the hellish feeling of being in the clutches of evil....

You can't!

But it happens... I'm no writer....so maybe my message is dulled.... but how can a court/judge say that such a perpetrator shouldn't be punished more than just by being taken out of society for a few years....
I don't feel the compassion...
 
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I forgot to add... has anyone seen the Ken Bigley (he was the guy beheaded by the Taliban(?) on video).... what absolute horror... and the guy must've been drugged up to high heaven.

But how can you have compassion for a fellow human that can saw through another human's neck?
 
I agree very few if any of us, will have ever gone through not only the physical torture but the mental torture too.
It's harrowing to think what some of these poor innocent people went through in there last moments.

It's sometimes hard to judge on the mental state of the perpetrators of these crimes, leading up to and during them.
You mention one case in particular that was committed by very young boys, at what point do we consider the young to have a morale conscience and know the difference between good and evil?

Just recently there was a case in the Doncaster area, the feral brothers. www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2620388/Brothers-beat-and-burnt-boys.html
Which again must have been a truly horrific thing for this boys to go through.
I'm all for compassion where it is warranted, but some people certainly don't deserve to breathe the same air as I.
 
you're so right... very few of us will have felt the kind of pain that takes us to the edge of death.... (severe accident victims acceted), but i suspect even fewer of us have endured the kind of fear/terror that torture or murder victims will have experienced....

It's so hard to ask this kind of question and keep it on track... but what i want to know is how, say. the parent of a murdered child can forgive the murderers....

and also why we don't severely punish our worst crims....
 
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With DNA and forensic science being as advanced as it is to day.
I'm not saying it is impossible for it to be wrong but most crimes of this nature are totally beyond any doubt of who the murderer(s) is/are, to me it's simply. Eye for an eye.
 
Proof is so difficult... that's not what this is about.... i want to understand compassion....and forgiveness....

someone treads on your toe, or spills your pint... yeah i can forgive that.... but raping my mum? or torturing my 8 yr old son to death?

i don't get it.... even an eye for an eye is not enough!
 
What do you consider good enough?
torture the torturer maybe!
It won't bring back a loved one, may give a short period of satisfaction.
Not against it!
 
i could go on endlessly about how to torture an evil murderer.... BUT i want to understand the compassion aspect....

how do you truly forgive the perpetrator of true evil?
 
Never had real true evil committed against me or my family.
So difficult to get in to that mindset and if it did ever happen, it would not be in my best interest to disclose how I would react and what my intensions would be on a family/public forum!
But they would be no forgiveness, God can deal with that!
 
PBD, i fully understand, and support what you're saying about how you would deal with such unspeakable horror... however... i am trying to understand those (who have been very vociverous on this site) who advocate tollerance and compassion.....

my problem is i could only respond with violence... i would like to see the other side?
 
Well we will wait and see who turns up and offers an opinion, because I wouldn't show compassion to the truly evil ones!
 
ban al sheds doesnt frequent this part of the site anymore. his view was certainly NOT an eye for an eye etc.
 
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