Grayling, finally a smart man

Did you agree with Mr Grayling's opinion?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 56.3%
  • No

    Votes: 7 43.8%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .
Don't know why we don't go the whole hog and create ghettos. At least that way there's be no doubt ;)
 
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Anyway, I'd have thought that we should really be questioning whether christians should be granted a hostelry licence in the first place. By definition they are mentally unstable.
 
Don't know why we don't go the whole hog and create ghettos. At least that way there's be no doubt ;)

Now now Dex, this is about protecting the right of people to have their own mind. I might NOT agree with these people, but they have the right to decide who can or can not come into their own house. If there is an honest belief that allowing these people in will be an affront to morality, can you really believe forcing them is the way to go?

I don't have to agree with their beliefs in order to fight for their rights to have them.

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Anyway, I'd have thought that we should really be questioning whether christians should be granted a hostelry licence in the first place. By definition they are mentally unstable.

When one person thinks something weird it is because they are 'mentally unstable, when hundreds of thousands to millions believe something weird, it is called a 'faith'.

However as long as it don't interfere with me...opens up another interesting debate. Should religious people be allowed to become teachers??
 
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people to have their own mind..............they have the right to decide who can or can not come into their own house. If there is an honest belief that allowing these people in will be an affront to morality, can you really believe forcing them is the way to go?

I don't have to agree with their beliefs in order to fight for their rights to have them.

Having religious beliefs does provide you with a mandate to discriminate.

People could just as easily use a religion for these purposes.

However, that is not to say that if you feel strongly about a certain 'walk of life' then why should you not be able to say who is allowed on your property?

Sounds like gay bashing to me.

If a known paedophile were to be refused stay in a hotel that had a lot of families as guests then i would back the decision.

I'm not convinced that being gay is a problem for most people. It is when folk are 'outwardly' gay is what some people find distasteful, as they would seeing a heterosexual couple snogging and fondling at the breakfast table.
 
people to have their own mind..............they have the right to decide who can or can not come into their own house. If there is an honest belief that allowing these people in will be an affront to morality, can you really believe forcing them is the way to go?

I don't have to agree with their beliefs in order to fight for their rights to have them.

Having religious beliefs does provide you with a mandate to discriminate.

People could just as easily use a religion for these purposes.

However, that is not to say that if you feel strongly about a certain 'walk of life' then why should you not be able to say who is allowed on your property?

Sounds like gay bashing to me.

If a known paedophile were to be refused stay in a hotel that had a lot of families as guests then i would back the decision.

I'm not convinced that being gay is a problem for most people. It is when folk are 'outwardly' gay is what some people find distasteful, as they would seeing a heterosexual couple snogging and fondling at the breakfast table.

Nose...i'm not quite sure what you are saying..
Having religious beliefs does provide you with a mandate to discriminate.
and then
Sounds like gay bashing to me.

I'm not sure which side you're on matey.

In answer to your other comment.
I'm not convinced that being gay is a problem for most people
I totally agree. Doesn't bother me in the slightest...but if it did, i would like the right to have a santuary away from the things that bothered me...and I'd assume that was my own house.
 
Having religious beliefs does provide you with a mandate to discriminate.
True, but reprehensible

However, that is not to say that if you feel strongly about a certain 'walk of life' then why should you not be able to say who is allowed on your property?
because somewhere down the line, this is exactly the same logic that led to the holocaust in germany and more recently ethnic cleansing in yugoslavia

Sounds like g a y bashing to me.
it's of the same genre

If a known paedophile were to be refused stay in a hotel that had a lot of families as guests then i would back the decision.
fair enough - it's only natural to defend people frof potential predators

I'm not convinced that being gay is a problem for most people. It is when folk are 'outwardly' gay is what some people find distasteful, as they would seeing a heterosexual couple snogging and fondling at the breakfast table.
Totally agree
 
Dex, gotta be careful of Godwin's law here. ;)

We have to be clear that we are not talking about the right to exist, or the right to be in public or anything like this. Just that someone, in their own priavtely owned property, should have the right to allow entry or disallow entry as they see fit.
 
. Should religious people be allowed to become teachers??
Well, if we allow woofters and other deviants this privilege, providing they don't need to stay temporarily in b&b's.

;), But can someone who is either a) deluded or b) not deluded cater for the needs of all people whether they believe the teacher is a) or b)?

Atheist parents are either gonna have their children warped if there is a religious teacher...or religious parents will have their children warped by atheist teachers...

Perhaps we should have a ruling on whether belief in God is right or wrong, that way we can force it on people either way...like gay couples in B+Bs ;)
 
next time I get turned away from a nightclub because I'm wearing jeans and trainers I'm going to call the police as they are discriminating against me..

don't shops and such have the right to refuse service anymore then?

if I go into a shop and try to pay for £35 worth of stuff with bags full of pennies, can I claim discrimination if they won't accept it? after all I may have a fear of paper and as such pay for all my things with coins..

where will it end.?

can I storm up to a mosque with a backon, sausage and black pudding sandwich in my hand and demand entry on the basis that refusal is discrimination against me for not being muslim or following islam?

it's bloody rediculous..
if I don't want muslims in my home then I have that right, if I don't want white people in my home I have that right, if I don't want hetero's in my house then I have that right... it is after all my home..

I also still see adverts for flats and such that state "No DSS".. isn't that discrimination? isn't that then illegal?
 
it's bloody rediculous..
if I don't want muslims in my home then I have that right, if I don't want white people in my home I have that right, if I don't want hetero's in my house then I have that right... it is after all my home..

Well don't open your house to the public then and you'll have no bother will you? :rolleyes:
 
it's bloody rediculous..
if I don't want muslims in my home then I have that right, if I don't want white people in my home I have that right, if I don't want hetero's in my house then I have that right... it is after all my home..

Well don't open your house to the public then and you'll have no bother will you? :rolleyes:

So if you only have a B+B as a way of making money and your beliefs tell you that if you let gay people into your house you are committing a sin...you give them the choice of sinning or starving? How understanding.
 
If you don't like the law, protest (if you dare :eek: ) or lobby (if you can afford it ;) ) to get it changed. Until such time as that happens, the rule of thumb on here is to live with it and stop whinging.
 
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