Flexible hose on hob
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As you've not installed it and are merely carrying out a check I suggest you record it as ncs.
If you wish to raise your concern I'd suggest you did it with gsr,but
have proof of installer,proof of date of install and have the customers consent to ask for an inspection.
Ps,b and q sell hotpoint,aeg,smeg,whirlpool not just your creda stuff.
If you wish to raise your concern I'd suggest you did it with gsr,but
have proof of installer,proof of date of install and have the customers consent to ask for an inspection.
Ps,b and q sell hotpoint,aeg,smeg,whirlpool not just your creda stuff.
Easy to highlight the bits that suit aint it.
I apologise to all for the mi cop out statement, i meant alot do not say anything just point you back to your standards and books. As for the flued appliance with flexible connection, i meant o/flued.... must really slow the typing down and quicken the old brain up.
I am far from perfect and do make mistakes, mainly typing
I think Lcgs has given everyone the correct information and all with the right back up.
A newly installed appliance can never be NCS.
NCS is intended to apply to something correctly installed AT THE TIME but where standards have moved on since.
So it would be wrong to classify something as NCS when it was fitted last week!
Tony
NCS is intended to apply to something correctly installed AT THE TIME but where standards have moved on since.
So it would be wrong to classify something as NCS when it was fitted last week!
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Not if you didnt install it and where attending afterwards. Thats how the regs class it.
A CP12 is not a pass or fail situation. The document is completed and recorded with what you find ie Blocked air vent, and how you left it.
A registered gas installer has a duty of care and a legal responsibillity, as the last man there you carry the can, regardless of being paid £84.
scenario:
go to friends house for dinner and they have very large DFE with no vent, which is noticeed you as the last RGI have a duty of care to bring to owners attention.
If someone subsequently died legally you would be held liable if unable to prove you did take some form of action.
It also applies if you smell gas, as an RGI you are expected to deal with it, getting paid £84 is irrelevant and not a cop out.
Would have to question the going around the freind's house bit ??? technically every one has a duty of care to every one else!!!!!!!!
Cooker hose , it has Never been illegal to use a cooker hose on a hob providing manu is not bothered & the circumstance's of the install are o.k
Flexible gas type hose's (not cooker) have been used on some industrial boiler's for year's !!
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your right apart from your last sentance.,even if it was fitted 10mins before you arrived by another rgi that's not your concern you would note that it's not to current standards.I'd you have an issue with it gsr will happily get involved but from your paperworks point of view it's simple,ncs.
This just goes to show why the public are so reluctent to believe rgi's aren't out to rip them off,the rules are there and aren't that difficult to follow,yet a regular on here makes his own to suit his need for £84.
We've recently found out to our cost that you can't with hold certs for payment,it's a requirement that you issue them regardless,then you chase the money.had to redo a whole site of 40houses even though the construction company had gone bust owing us thousands,
that is not the case re cookers fitted without FSD's check the TB that was issued about this ( i'm not saying i agree with the statement), but that you are wrong in this instance
If an operative chooses to apply alternative guidance, they will need to show that they complied with the law in some other way, or a court may find them at fault.
The key word in above statement is LAW!
The key word in above statement is LAW!
It is very easy and i cant see the confusion,i agree with LGS read the manufacturers instructions and follow them accordingly,this for all appliances not just gas related
Telly Tony has his own agenda and makes up the rules as he goes,this is not the only example,just read the soldering pcbs thread different rules for different people,how can you rely on him for consistency
Telly Tony has his own agenda and makes up the rules as he goes,this is not the only example,just read the soldering pcbs thread different rules for different people,how can you rely on him for consistency
Some of you seem to be extending the interpretation of the law ( usually gas regulations in our case ) beyone what is required.
If I am asked to do a CP12 and on arrival find that the installation has been bodged by a non gas reg then there is no law that requires me to issue a certificate. All that I am required to do, as a duty of care, is to advise the responsible person of any dangers and if they gave their permission to isolate a gas appliance.
If I choose to react against the bodged work then thats my perogative not to issue a certificate. I am not alone in this because I am often called by customers who tell me that another engineer refused to give a certificate.
If I were to issue certificates for bodged work then I would be seen to be approving of unregistered installations. In London I would say that perhaps 30-50% of boilers in rented flats have NOT been installed by an RGI. Many Landlords admit it was not installed by a registered person when they call me.
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If I am asked to do a CP12 and on arrival find that the installation has been bodged by a non gas reg then there is no law that requires me to issue a certificate. All that I am required to do, as a duty of care, is to advise the responsible person of any dangers and if they gave their permission to isolate a gas appliance.
If I choose to react against the bodged work then thats my perogative not to issue a certificate. I am not alone in this because I am often called by customers who tell me that another engineer refused to give a certificate.
If I were to issue certificates for bodged work then I would be seen to be approving of unregistered installations. In London I would say that perhaps 30-50% of boilers in rented flats have NOT been installed by an RGI. Many Landlords admit it was not installed by a registered person when they call me.
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How you conduct your buisness is upto you,
most on here will have encounter illegal installs,in nearly 20years I've seen plenty.
However rather than burying my head in the sand and shying away,I would carryout the check listing every defect,I would where required issue the correct notices and I required cap off.in no time would I be
agreeing with the illegal installer or agreeing with tem working but
I would be advising the client through the issuing of a cert and notices all the defects.
most on here will have encounter illegal installs,in nearly 20years I've seen plenty.
However rather than burying my head in the sand and shying away,I would carryout the check listing every defect,I would where required issue the correct notices and I required cap off.in no time would I be
agreeing with the illegal installer or agreeing with tem working but
I would be advising the client through the issuing of a cert and notices all the defects.
Thats the point of the cert, you are called to inspect and issue a CP12. All defects and faults are placed on certificate with remedial work req or carried out noted.
The cert is issued and charged for, it is up to the owner how they deal with it.
By issuing a cert it would highlight the problem not approve it, at the moment your sticking your head in the sand and pretending it does not exist.
A CP12 is not a clean ticket its an "as found" ticket.
I totally agree!
But in London many second rate landlords with second rate properties have taken advantage of the HA three year guaranteed rental offer.
But they also have realised that the HAs will only accept a "clean" certificate.
The more clever LLs have also realised that there are many RGIs who dont care what the installation is like and will issue a clean cert regardless.
One third world landlord obtained a CP12 from another of his third world friends when there was NO GAS METER at the property. I was called in AFTER the gas meter was fitted when it was found the boiler was faulty!
Tony
But in London many second rate landlords with second rate properties have taken advantage of the HA three year guaranteed rental offer.
But they also have realised that the HAs will only accept a "clean" certificate.
The more clever LLs have also realised that there are many RGIs who dont care what the installation is like and will issue a clean cert regardless.
One third world landlord obtained a CP12 from another of his third world friends when there was NO GAS METER at the property. I was called in AFTER the gas meter was fitted when it was found the boiler was faulty!
Tony
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