have you got an outside light/PIR near the kitchen ?
kitchen light
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Guess 1.
If it were me I had to guess I would connect the two short blacks on the left together (with power off) and then see if the lights in the other rooms start working.
Put the switch in this room to OFF and leave it in that possition.
that didnt work buddy
To find out.
Turn the power off.
Get a multimeter and put it on the setting with music notes near 200R.
So that when you touch the two leads together it beeps and/or reads about 0.
Then test that middle cable. Connect one meter lead to the red wire in connection block and other meter lead to the loose black wire.
Have someone switch that rooms light switch on and off and see if the meter beeps when the switch is on, and doesn't when off. If it does that, that is the switch wire. Put a bit of red tape round the black wire to identify that is the switch wire.
yeah the outside light is linked to another connection
ok guys so im led to beleive i have a ring main here in this photo so i now have to find out how to keep the circuit flowing whilst getting my new light to work i wish electricians didnt cost so much 
ok guys so im led to beleive i have a ring main here in this photo so i now have to find out how to keep the circuit flowing whilst getting my new light to work i wish electricians didnt cost so much
Who told you that you have a ring final circuit as your lighting circuit?
Have you done what sparkwright suggested?
You haven't said what other light works from the switch that originally controlled the ceiling rose you removed.
If you have four cables coming into the ceiling rose then you will more likely than not have two cables that are the loop cables - one cable that connects to the switch (possiblily one black cable with red sleeving) and the other cable linking to another light.
If your toilet light is only one working then it is likely that this ceiling rose takes its power from the toilet ceiling rose and all others follow.
With the circuit dead is relatively simple to check which cable is which with a multimeter but you must be methdoical in your approach.
hey mate this seems to be exactly what i picture it looking like when i took the old light down the only problem i have is that non of the back wires have a red sleeve so do i have to try 1 at a time???
i didnt see that ive just ran back and seen it now, the only problem i have is none of the black wires have a red sleeve and i have no multimeter, so do i do exactly what sparkwright says and then try every black wire individually???ok guys so im led to beleive i have a ring main here in this photo so i now have to find out how to keep the circuit flowing whilst getting my new light to work i wish electricians didnt cost so much
Who told you that you have a ring final circuit as your lighting circuit?
Have you done what sparkwright suggested?
You haven't said what other light works from the switch that originally controlled the ceiling rose you removed.
If you have four cables coming into the ceiling rose then you will more likely than not have two cables that are the loop cables - one cable that connects to the switch (possiblily one black cable with red sleeving) and the other cable linking to another light.
If your toilet light is only one working then it is likely that this ceiling rose takes its power from the toilet ceiling rose and all others follow.
With the circuit dead is relatively simple to check which cable is which with a multimeter but you must be methdoical in your approach.
No because one of the black wires may be switch live. If you put that into neutral it will go bang.
Without a multimeter it will be very difficult to identify which cable is which. I'm afraid you may have to call an electrician out to resolve your issue.
oh, so lets just clarify, of my 4 black wires 1 of them needs to go in the light, the 4 reds go in a connector together whilst the other 3 blacks go into neutral, the 4 earths go into the light also, i really wish id left the old one up lol
Firstly, turn the power off and check it is dead.
At the switch, assuming it is a single gang, check that you have one cable with a red wire (live), a black wire (switch live) ( possibly with a red sleeve) and an earth wire properly sleeved.
If so what you suggest above will work if you connect the correct switch live otherwise it may damage you lighting circuit and I would therefore not recommend it.
However, should you choose to continue, you have not said whether the switch for this ceiling rose also turned another light on in the room. Because if that is the case when you connect the wires as you are planning the second light may be permanently on.
I say again consider getting an electrician in.
you need to either borrow a multi meter or buy one or get someone in.
They aren't very expensive.
He has told us there isn't another light in the room
They aren't very expensive.
He has told us there isn't another light in the room
Yes thanks I have seen that now - but are there four cables in that picture or three? I count four reds.
I suppose it's questionable that there is one red that isn't connected to the connector block like the other three.
However, it's apparent that there is only the one light controlled by the switch.
I realise this is a kitchen, but is there a loft space above the ceiling? If there is you could trace the switch cable.
Just buy a multimeter.
IMO they are essential if you want to do work on your electrics. Presumably you use screwdrivers instead of points of knife blades to remove/tighten screws?
A hammer instead of a lump of rock for nails?
A multimeter is as basic a necessity as those.....
IMO they are essential if you want to do work on your electrics. Presumably you use screwdrivers instead of points of knife blades to remove/tighten screws?
A hammer instead of a lump of rock for nails?
A multimeter is as basic a necessity as those.....
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