80MPH on motorways?

[alumni]

There's still remains the overarching view - in my naive mind - that this is not the way we should be going about things!

I tend to agree with you, i've always preferred the local 'corner shop'. Unfortunately joe public generally stopped bothering with them and gravitated to the S/Markets. Tesco's stole a march on their competitors when they launched the Express stores. The competition just had to follow suit.
What i never thought about was the need for these smaller stores.
Asda caught a cold winter before last when the roads were dodgy for driving. People simply went to the local 'Express' rather than risk driving to the superstore. They finally solved that when they got the Netto stores converted.
With their product range and pricing, the local independent has little chance now.

 

[seco services]

question I have is whether it really is necessary to deliver the package the next day or whether (if it were left a few days later say) a fuller container on a "slower" route would have sufficed? Which is sort of my original point.

The country will come to a standstill.

 

[subman101]

With their product range and pricing, the local independent has little chance now.

Which of course brings on further problems. If independents shut then who pays for their subsistence? Who tends to the building stock? The huge irony is that there will be fewer recyclers of the wealth that we have, which will continue to further lead to doom and gloom (cue joe!).

Adam Smith (upon whose theories we have by and large relied for the last couple of hundred years) assumed that wealthy and selfish people and companies created sufficient wealth byproducts to populate the working masses with relevant employment. If there are an insufficient number of these people with an insufficient amount of finance to regenerate, then the model collapses.

Looks like the writing may well be on the wall

 

[subman101]

The country will come to a standstill.

Maybe it needs to in order to reassess its priorities? The recent petrol "scare" no doubt made us all momentarily rethink "what is necessary" and potentially plan alternatives. Maybe a little more of that would bring in new relevant workable methods

I suspect our discussion of this is coming to a sort of agreed end (it would be nice, but it ain't going to happen). So here's a next curveball, unrelated and yet it is (obscurely) to the op - do you think that it would be advisable to revert to a single person in any household going out to bring back the cash? Job shares are allowed, but two adults in the same household are not!

 

[joe-90]

So what is the minimum speed on a motorway then?

 

[alumni]

So what is the minimum speed on a motorway then?

A sensible one.
You can 'get done' for driving too slowly.

 

[joe-90]

I'm asking what 'too slowly' is.

 

[alumni]

I'm asking what 'too slowly' is.

As you are alluding to, there is no minimum. But driving at 30mph when everyone else is doing 60-70 makes you dangerous, hence open to being pulled.

 

[joe-90]

Then what about 50?

 

[skyboy]

Other than "fresh" produce (which could be transported in refrigerated train containers), there is no need to hurtle everything to everywhere overnight.

I think that most supermarkets and whatever manufacturing we have left now operate on a last minute supply basis. It saves them from having to tie too much money up in stock. There's a name for it which escapes me at the moment.

JIT is the acronym for 'Just in Time'

As you say this allows the customer to avoid having to have large warehouses and reduces their cashflow problems.
However companies using JIT forget the commercial needs of their suppliers when their ordering becomes JTL I have made this up and it means Just too late.
I dealt with a large national retailer whos ordering for deliveries commencing Monday was only given out on the previous Thursday and we are not talking here about just picking something off a shelf to send accross we are talking about actually manufacturing items to send accross. It was ridiculous.
Their JIT even involved the specified items arriving at specified times of the day.

I remember one time I was unable to provide a specific design of furniture on the day this large national retailer had requested because we had worked to their order list received on the Thursday and had all the deliveries ready for Monday when a call on Friday asked for a different model instead.
It could not be done.
We then had a visit from all the directors and relevant staff , buyers etc en masse who then attempted to tell us that we could not run our business. I was furious and sent this entourage off with a flea in their ear explaining to them that if they thought we were disorganised it was purely because we were unable to run our business as we would like to ourselves with forward planning as we were reacting to the disorganised ordering from their end with no lead time given on anything or even a stock list for stock items they would regularly call off.
As it happens they were crap at ordering other items too from other suppliers which is why they had to change things at the last minute.

But as a big national they just carried on like that while us suppliers pulled our hair out.

After the 'meeting' we received orders a week in advance for about a month until it quickly slipped back to two days notice again.

 

[Nige F]

Then what about 50?

50 is fine IMHO - if you keep to the left lane . Mopeds aren`t allowed on M ways , ergo 30mph is too slow , and so is 40

 

[skyboy]

Yep ban lorries from the middle lane because otherwise the speed diffferential will be too great when they just pull out without looking.
Surprise surprise this very week one did it to me again and I had to emergency brake.. It was a dual carriageway so I didn't have another lane to move into.
clowns!!

Why do i not have your problems? Emergency brake? never had to do that in my life, your too close, or too slow

Anyone would have had to do the same as I in the circumstances.
I was on a dual carriageway.
I was approaching a slip road on the left with two slow lorries joining.
One was an the left carriageway after having just joined the other was just about to join and cross into the left lane.

I was doing 70mph and I moved into the outside lane checking my rear view mirror for the traffic behind.
When I looked forward the second Lorry had not just joined the left lane but had in fact continued his travel immediately accross to the outside lane.

Bang on went my brakes and I had to slow from 70 to 45 in sharp order.
The slip road from the left was an uphill joining slip road so these lorries had not even reached their cruising speed.

He was a complete idiot who should never have been given a licence.

Of course it then took about two miles before this idiot who wasn't driving some lithe 7.5 tonner but a huge low loader with a combine harvester on the back managed to creep past the lorry on his left.

In my opinion that was dangerous driving.

 

[joe-90]

Then what about 50?

50 is fine IMHO - if you keep to the left lane . Mopeds aren`t allowed on M ways , ergo 30mph is too slow , and so is 40

The trouble would be that all the HGVs would have to change lane to overtake you at low speed and clog the other lane.

 

[captaincaveman1]

lets bring back the fella who has to walk in front of you waving the red flag that way it not only makes the roads safer but also gets rid of the countrys unemployment issues

 

[subman101]

lets bring back the fella who has to walk in front of you waving the red flag that way it not only makes the roads safer but also gets rid of the countrys unemployment issues

Are you suggesting that we put all unemployed people on the M1? An interesting proposition which would boost work for undertakers and bumper-repair specialists. Could be a winner all round