Getting onto training courses..

[Coaster]

after languishing on the dole for a year now, I have been re-examining ways into work..

One option is to spend £2k on a data cabling course (copper and fibre optic) and also apprenticeships.. though not sure if the apprenticeships are just exploited by cpmpanies to get cheap labour..

any thoughts..

 

[Dave54]

You're only going to get general opinion here, the same as the last time you asked.
http://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/data-cable-engineer-training.424358/
Personally I reckon that training companies in a lot of cases train people for jobs that just don't exist, as their business is in the training and not in people getting work after. When I made furniture I regularly had people who had done furniture making courses contact me about work and / or placements. I don't think I had one person contact me before they did a course to see if there was any chance of work for people with training.

I used to have to tell them that I didn't have any work for them.

If I were you, before spending the money, I'd contact some of the people advertising for data cabling people in your area, and see what they say about what training and experience they require. I'll have a bet that most of them are going to want experienced people, so that puts you in a Catch 22 situation where you can't get a job without experience, which you need a job to get.

 

[conny]

You shouldn't be paying to go on a course. Its the governments job to encourage people back into work so they should pay any course fees.

However, you do have to be realistic about the courses you want to go on and the work you want to do when the course finishes.

Do they still run job clubs in the dole office? When I was made redundant a number of years ago I joined straight away and because postage and phone calls were free I managed to secure a job within 3 weeks. I even got a nice bonus of the DSS for finding a job! You will also get first shot at any vacancies that come in before they go on the public boards.

 

[Coaster]

na.. no jobclubs, usually a 2 week "employabilty course" where your told to get a wash and check where your going for an interview the day before, and other gems of knowledge

there are places where you go in 1 or 2 days a week per year but nothing going.. certainly not up ere.

 

[noseall]

Its the governments job to encourage people back into work

Is it! I thought the need for money and to better your life was enough encouragement.

You shouldn't be paying to go on a course. Its the governments job .......so they should pay any course fees.

What a load of bolax.

Does that mean they can claw back any fees when people decide to drop out or not turn up?

With the above statements no wonder the country is in such a mess.

 

[Dave54]

None of the "experts" have any real answers in my thankfully small experience of them.

I certainly don't have any answers apart from "It's up to you mate"

One thing I do reckon is that nobody "owes me a living" or that I have any "right to employment". To me that's government talk to show they "care", and to get votes.

But I know it's not easy getting work. That's probably why I've been self employed for 30 years or so.

 

[conny]

Its the governments job to encourage people back into work

Is it! I thought the need for money and to better your life was enough encouragement.

You shouldn't be paying to go on a course. Its the governments job .......so they should pay any course fees.

What a load of bolax.

Does that mean they can claw back any fees when people decide to drop out or not turn up?

With the above statements no wonder the country is in such a mess.

So the government should do anything to encourage people to work for a living?

Ok, let them sit on their backsides watching TV all day and give them state hand-outs, paid for by those of us who do work. This costs the government millions and more each year. Suddenly everyone is out of work and the government have no money to pay them. Alternatively, spend some money on helping people to understand how to apply for jobs, give them the means to search for these jobs by opening help centres and give them the opportunity to realise they are useful members of society. In turn they would, hopefully, develop a sense of pride in themselves that they were actually earning their own money rather than spending other peoples donations. And as you say, they may even come to realise that they can earn much more than they would receive off the state.

But lets be perfectly honest. Its all a daydream to us workers who pay for those who refuse to get a job because being unemployed and 'working' the system is easy money.

 

[Bodgeitandleggit]

after languishing on the dole for a year now, I have been re-examining ways into work..

One option is to spend £2k on a data cabling course (copper and fibre optic) and also apprenticeships.. though not sure if the apprenticeships are just exploited by cpmpanies to get cheap labour..

any thoughts..

Virgin media have announced a major programme to connect business and homes over a 5year period.. on the business side there will be data cabling and fibre work... they are employing 6k bodies and apprentices see
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/13/virgin-media-bt-cable-network-project-lightning

 

[LastMagicBean]

You shouldn't be paying to go on a course.

What a load of bolax.

Conny's on the right tracks here nosejob.

You see, the system as it stands spends millions of pounds of tax payers money on worthless, pointless work programs. The very work programs that are 'awarded' £14k for each and every individual they place in any job. ANY.

Rather than outsource to thieves and pen pushers, thus passing the buck, why not employ dedicated professional training staff to teach these people skills or trades.

Not only saving money, but more chance of the individual turning up and getting back to/ starting work.

It's easy, flumpy

(I'm a working man , BTW)

 

[noseall]

So the government should do anything to encourage people to work for a living?

Of course they should. It is not their job though.

Ok, let them sit on their backsides watching TV all day and give them state hand-outs, .

You are talking about people with arms and legs, and a brian, and a voice aren't you?

What, you mean it is the governments' "job" to drive these people to interviews, to man the phones for them, show them how to put one foot in front of the other?

Alternatively, spend some money on helping people to understand how to apply for jobs, give them the means to search for these jobs by opening help centres and give them the opportunity to realise they are useful members of society. In turn they would, hopefully, develop a sense of pride in themselves that they were actually earning their own money rather than spending other peoples donations. And as you say, they may even come to realise that they can earn much more than they would receive off the state.

Are you sure you are on about human beings with their own brains?

Perhaps I'm overestimating humans. Who feeds these people? Who changes their clothes and underwear? Who shows them how to change channels on their TV or shows them how to use their smart phones? who wipes their backsides.

Honestly Conny, you do talk some shoite.

 

[noseall]

Conny's on the right tracks here nosejob.

It's people like you who provide the very excuses these dole scroungers thrive upon in order to dodge employment.

The government can only do so much.

 

[LastMagicBean]

Conny's on the right tracks here nosejob.

It's people like you who provide the very excuses these dole scroungers thrive upon in order to dodge employment.

Nope, I want these people to have a fair crack at starting/getting back to work.

Saying f*ck 'em simply doesn't work.

 

[noseall]

Saying f*ck 'em simply doesn't work.

Why say anything at all?

Surely the need for money to buy food should be enough?

Nope, I want these people to have a fair crack at starting/getting back to work.

What people are these exactly?

Are you talking about disabled ******* or people with sight, a voice, a pair of legs and the ability to speak English?

Does the government need to carry them every step of the way?

 

[ajrtd]

Are you talking about disabled *******

Ffs you can't say disabled ******* your training was obviously wasted.

 

[noseall]

Are you talking about disabled *******

Ffs you can't say disabled ******* your training was obviously wasted.

But that's the picture that's being painted.