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..If Britain's proposed reforms are met, we will stay in Europe. That's funny. Does he know the outcome of the vote? 
I think we all know the truth.
Yes, I'm confident that we'll have a referendum... eventually. Then, assuming people see sense and the majority vote to leave the EU, there will be an announcement that our departure will 'necessarily' take a little time.
Following that, there will be occasional reports from the government of how the process is 'proceeding' and the 'steps that are being taken'.
Later, we'll have the next general election, which the Conservatives will expect to win as a reward for having held a referendum as promised. Following that, we'll have perhaps a couple of years of further 'proceedings' and 'necessary arrangements' which could, conceivably, be strung out indefinitely.
And whilst we're all waiting in anticipation, we'll still be paying in £55million a day in 'contributions' which entitle us to the benefits of being dictated to by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
Am I exaggerating? Am I being pessimistic? Wait and see, but keep my statement in mind.
Yes, I'm confident that we'll have a referendum... eventually. Then, assuming people see sense and the majority vote to leave the EU, there will be an announcement that our departure will 'necessarily' take a little time.
Following that, there will be occasional reports from the government of how the process is 'proceeding' and the 'steps that are being taken'.
Later, we'll have the next general election, which the Conservatives will expect to win as a reward for having held a referendum as promised. Following that, we'll have perhaps a couple of years of further 'proceedings' and 'necessary arrangements' which could, conceivably, be strung out indefinitely.
And whilst we're all waiting in anticipation, we'll still be paying in £55million a day in 'contributions' which entitle us to the benefits of being dictated to by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
Am I exaggerating? Am I being pessimistic? Wait and see, but keep my statement in mind.
I saw the thing about "renegotiating" the conditions of our membership in the EU the other day, and I thought "Why bother, lets just have the promised referendum first" 
The reality is of course that them and their cronies like the EU for all sorts of reasons. Not least being that it seems to give a nice comfy retirement home for any politicians we vote out here.
The referendum promise was made as a vote getter, while fervently hoping that people would forget about it once the true blue magnifitude of the new government was realised by the plebs. (us)
The reality is of course that them and their cronies like the EU for all sorts of reasons. Not least being that it seems to give a nice comfy retirement home for any politicians we vote out here.
The referendum promise was made as a vote getter, while fervently hoping that people would forget about it once the true blue magnifitude of the new government was realised by the plebs. (us)
Cameron's scheme was just a ploy to win votes from the anti-Europe conversatives and kippers, by telling them they would get the chance to vote for a Brexit after some unspecified conditions were established and an unspecified compromise was offered.
The chance of voting on something, when you don't know what will have been asked for and what will have been offered is very speculative.
Last week he was trying to mollify people who are not anti-Europe by saying it would be good for UK to stay in. This weeks he is trying to mollify the anti-Europeans again.
This week he is also saying that his demands must be agreed as permanent and unchangeable. Yet he demands that anything agreed previously must be viewed as temporary and changeable.
Luckily he has already given us notice of his resignation, to take effect prior to the next General Election.
The chance of voting on something, when you don't know what will have been asked for and what will have been offered is very speculative.
Last week he was trying to mollify people who are not anti-Europe by saying it would be good for UK to stay in. This weeks he is trying to mollify the anti-Europeans again.
This week he is also saying that his demands must be agreed as permanent and unchangeable. Yet he demands that anything agreed previously must be viewed as temporary and changeable.
Luckily he has already given us notice of his resignation, to take effect prior to the next General Election.
What has Cameron done in this and his previous term? Not a lot - except talk of course. Big promises made in opposition haven't materialised, and despite appearances, the fundamentals of our economy and NHS are on life support. He's going to do what most modern politicians do, which is talk and make popular promises. However, he won't want to do anything that will make waves, and by the time the plebs realise he's full of it, he'll be gone and we'll be onto the next one who will promise to be new, improved and washes whiter. Then it starts all over again, as The UK slides inexorably downwards.
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Listening to the radio and v news today, some tory guy was explaining he is is going to "demand that we can "begin working towards" reducing foreign benefit claims. That's been dumbed down already. It's obvious what his game is but I can't help wondering what happens if people just vote out. I think JBR is right, leaving will take 20 or 30 years by which time we'll have all forgot/died.
Let's be honest, none of our recent leaders of any political colour have been much more than a figurehead. They're all basically products of a spin system that gives "corporate speak" answers to any awkward questions, from a sanitised and "safe" spokesman.
As far as I can see it's a damn good job that most of them actually seem to do very little, because when they do something it always seems to be a complete shambles.
As far as I can see it's a damn good job that most of them actually seem to do very little, because when they do something it always seems to be a complete shambles.
Typical meaningless politics speak, meaning nothing positive is likely to happen any times soon. Then, because of their inaction, when it all blows up, they will say that "lessons will be learned". Why do we entrust the future of our country with these muppets? Can you imagine any other career where we would expect so little from those PAID to carry out a function? Then bullsh*it those who employed them to do their job.
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And the country will be over-run and bankrupt.
There is only one politician, and only one political party, which will in my opinion get us out of the EU and this terrible mess. But will we vote them in?
No. The British people haven't the balls. So we're stuck with it.
Well I voted for them last time.
At present we have the most cowardly ball-less leaders I've ever known. Too wrapped up in PC and working out how many different ways they can use the most misinterpreted word in history - "racist".
Rotherham being a prime example - strange how that's gone a bit quiet now as well. Sweeping under the carpet and hoping we've forgotten springs to mind.
They make me bloody sick, the lot of them!!
At present we have the most cowardly ball-less leaders I've ever known. Too wrapped up in PC and working out how many different ways they can use the most misinterpreted word in history - "racist".
Rotherham being a prime example - strange how that's gone a bit quiet now as well. Sweeping under the carpet and hoping we've forgotten springs to mind.
They make me bloody sick, the lot of them!!
Cameron must be the worst negotiator for Britain since Chamberlain; at every stage, it's retreat, retreat, retreat. He does not seem
to understnd that little word 'no'. Maggie would be turning in her grave.
to understnd that little word 'no'. Maggie would be turning in her grave.
Indeed.
I read somewhere else that he is our worst PM in memory. A weak, spineless 'Eton boy'.
I think I saw something on the BBC 4 news that said that the population is split about the EU with the staying in side just edging ahead. However, something like 17% were undecided and I imagine it's that chunk that Camoron is targeting. I wouldn't say I fall into the undecided category but to be honest it's a close run thing as I can see benefits and downsides of both in and out arguments. Staying in without some kind of renegotiation could be just as bad as leaving and having no reform of our present government. I could see an exit taking us closer to the US which means we'd probably end up with the TTIP and it's evil siblings but then staying in could be just as bad if , or when, the EU collapses and takes us with it.
On balance I'd vote for us to leave and hope for restraint from Westminster , perhaps the lesser of two evils.
On balance I'd vote for us to leave and hope for restraint from Westminster , perhaps the lesser of two evils.
Economically, we are probably in a good position. Whilst the majority of our trade is within the EU, that proportion is going down gradually as we deal more with the wider world.
The naysayers say that we would be at a disavantage in trade, but it works the other way - we import a lot from the Continent (I don't just mean
migrants) and EU firms would not like the prospect of loosing us as a market for their products.
Cameron seems to understand nothing of business and even less about history. He seems not to want to offend anyone the other side of Calais.
But over there, they seem to see him as a weak and easily-manipulated leader. We now have little countries like Slovenia putting him in his place, and he dutifully obliges. Just think, he occupies the same office as Churchill, Disraeli, Pitt etc did;
unbelievable. May God help us if we were to be faced with another 1939 situation.
The naysayers say that we would be at a disavantage in trade, but it works the other way - we import a lot from the Continent (I don't just mean
migrants) and EU firms would not like the prospect of loosing us as a market for their products.
Cameron seems to understand nothing of business and even less about history. He seems not to want to offend anyone the other side of Calais.
But over there, they seem to see him as a weak and easily-manipulated leader. We now have little countries like Slovenia putting him in his place, and he dutifully obliges. Just think, he occupies the same office as Churchill, Disraeli, Pitt etc did;
unbelievable. May God help us if we were to be faced with another 1939 situation.
Isn't it 55 million a day to stay in?
That would build a lot of houses, enable a lot of the elderly to be able to switch on the heating in the winter!!
But hey, let's just give it to some unelected bureaucrats, who enjoy telling us what we can and can't do in our own country.
I'm voting OUT
That would build a lot of houses, enable a lot of the elderly to be able to switch on the heating in the winter!!
But hey, let's just give it to some unelected bureaucrats, who enjoy telling us what we can and can't do in our own country.
I'm voting OUT
