Ca'moron said...

[WalksWithTurkeys]

Norway has to pay the EU but much less than us, per person, and it does not have to obey EU laws, but it does have to obey EU regulations on exported goods, and pay export tariffs, then again it can charge import tariffs. And it has to allow free movement of people from the EU. Whether EU immigrants can claim benefits I know not. I would vote for leaving, but we will all vote to stay in, without doubt.

 

[PBC_1966]

It should also of course be mentioned that one of the original aims was a safer Europe which of course it seems to have done . We haven't laid waste to huge tracts of land and slaughtered a generation ( well not on a continental scale ) since 1945 .

That just might have something to do with American & British forces being stationed in Germany, NATO, and a good few other things which are nothing to do with the EEC/EC/EU though.

Not saying you're completely wrong but doesn't your first point assume the £33M sent by the government to the EU would then be spent by that same government building houses?

I'm sure they'd find some other way to waste most of it, butthat's hardly a good reason for continuing to throw it away to the EU.

 

[fender]

I've not met anyone yet who wants to stay in. Whether they have the balls to vote that way at the time is always another matter.
The trouble is, Joe public are usually pretty poor at keeping up with current affairs, don't understand half of it fully, so play "safe"...Well, the ones that actually bother to get off their butts and vote that is......

 

[Whitespirit66]

It should also of course be mentioned that one of the original aims was a safer Europe

With recent events in mind, I'm not sure that Merkel is singing from the same hymn sheet.

 

[longdogs]

Isn't it obvious what we get for our membership fee?

Straight cucumbers
Sub-standard vacuum cleaners
The ability to take in and house all and sundry until we sink
Children not allowed to blow up balloons without supervision
Sit on mowers to be insured
Prisoners able to vote
No more pounds & ounces
Turnips cannot be called swedes (unless in a pasty)
Eggs priced by weight, not by the dozen
Ladder training
Etc Etc

I can't believe anyone wouldn't want these rules.

 

[fender]

It should also of course be mentioned that one of the original aims was a safer Europe

With recent events in mind, I'm not sure that Merkel is singing from the same hymn sheet.

I refer you to post #36........

 

[handyjack]

I reckon if we left the EU, the EU would crumble as many others would follow.

 

[Whitespirit66]

What has Cameron done in this and his previous term? Not a lot - except talk of course. Big promises made in opposition haven't materialised, and despite appearances, the fundamentals of our economy and NHS are on life support. He's going to do what most modern politicians do, which is talk and make popular promises. However, he won't want to do anything that will make waves, and by the time the plebs realise he's full of it, he'll be gone and we'll be onto the next one who will promise to be new, improved and washes whiter. Then it starts all over again, as The UK slides inexorably downwards.

What he and Osborne have done is significantly cut government spending, ensuring that the UK maintains a AAA credit status (which reduces the cost of government borrowing) and reducing the deficit, and created a strong economy that is seeing significant drops in unemployment. Osborne was widely criticised five years ago, with Balls and others saying his cuts would destroy the country. He had more balls than Balls, and held his own, so to speak, he had the courage to follow his plans.

And if doing something means invading Iraq, giving back some of the EU rebate, and hugely increasing public spending, I'll opt for not doing something thanks.

Great, so UK PLC must have an economy that's in rude health? But the reality is that borrowing has RISEN to record levels and keeps growing. The economy is so good that interest rates are near zero to try to keep the books almost afloat. The jobs that have been created are mostly low-skilled, minimum wage or zero-hours - with poverty wages propped up by tax credits. And don't forget that a large part of the jobs created are taken by foreigners. Sounds great?? Only big business really gains.

And if you think I backed the actions of New Labour, you're even further from the mark.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

 

[Dave54]

The trade part is useful. ALL the rest of it is BS.
All it does is gives us another mega expensive layer of bureaucracy. Which in turn gives us unwanted laws and rules.
As always with left wing organisations it's full of "good ideas" that turn into expensive mistakes when implemented.
Get rid of it. Give us our bloody country back and let's go back to making our own way in the world.
The thing that always seems to be ignored in this "Lets us trade with Europe" excuse, is that it's a two way thing. It lets them trade with us too! Look at all the European brands that are advertised here these days.
I reckon we've been taken for mugs in this country for too bloody long.

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

not as much as the £550 Billion bank bail-out.

The bank bailout was the providing of loans and guarantees, and buying shares in banks at risk. We are selling off shares. The net loss is small. The UK rescue was copied by many other countries. At the time there was a credible danger of the entire UK banking system collapsing, meaning no pay checks, no ATM machines, possible collapse of banks, companies, society, civil unrest etc. It is popular to kick the bankers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_Kingdom_bank_rescue_package

 

[WalksWithTurkeys]

What has Cameron done in this and his previous term? Not a lot - except talk of course. Big promises made in opposition haven't materialised, and despite appearances, the fundamentals of our economy and NHS are on life support. He's going to do what most modern politicians do, which is talk and make popular promises. However, he won't want to do anything that will make waves, and by the time the plebs realise he's full of it, he'll be gone and we'll be onto the next one who will promise to be new, improved and washes whiter. Then it starts all over again, as The UK slides inexorably downwards.

What he and Osborne have done is significantly cut government spending, ensuring that the UK maintains a AAA credit status (which reduces the cost of government borrowing) and reducing the deficit, and created a strong economy that is seeing significant drops in unemployment. Osborne was widely criticised five years ago, with Balls and others saying his cuts would destroy the country. He had more balls than Balls, and held his own, so to speak, he had the courage to follow his plans.

And if doing something means invading Iraq, giving back some of the EU rebate, and hugely increasing public spending, I'll opt for not doing something thanks.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
Great, so UK PLC must have an economy that's in rude health? But the reality is that borrowing has RISEN to record levels and keeps growing. The economy is so good that interest rates are near zero to try to keep the book almost afloat. The jobs that have been created are mostly low-skilled, minimum wage or zero-hours - with poverty wages propped up by tax credits. And don't forget that a large part of the jobs created are taken by foreigners. Sounds great. Only big business really gains.

And if you think I backed the actions of New Labour, you're even further from the mark.

Yes we borrow more, but the deficit is reducing, and we will start to pay off the debt. What do you suggest then?

Unemployment has plummeted, which means more Brits in work. Yes employment has gone up and yes some of that is immigrants with poor skills on low wages. Yes we have a flood of immigrants and a shortage of houses.

 

[Whitespirit66]

It should also of course be mentioned that one of the original aims was a safer Europe

With recent events in mind, I'm not sure that Merkel is singing from the same hymn sheet.

I refer you to post #36........

Yes, I read ladylola's post and replied to it before getting as far down as yours. Thought I would leave my post as it is proof that great minds.................................

 

[Whitespirit66]

What has Cameron done in this and his previous term? Not a lot - except talk of course. Big promises made in opposition haven't materialised, and despite appearances, the fundamentals of our economy and NHS are on life support. He's going to do what most modern politicians do, which is talk and make popular promises. However, he won't want to do anything that will make waves, and by the time the plebs realise he's full of it, he'll be gone and we'll be onto the next one who will promise to be new, improved and washes whiter. Then it starts all over again, as The UK slides inexorably downwards.

What he and Osborne have done is significantly cut government spending, ensuring that the UK maintains a AAA credit status (which reduces the cost of government borrowing) and reducing the deficit, and created a strong economy that is seeing significant drops in unemployment. Osborne was widely criticised five years ago, with Balls and others saying his cuts would destroy the country. He had more balls than Balls, and held his own, so to speak, he had the courage to follow his plans.

And if doing something means invading Iraq, giving back some of the EU rebate, and hugely increasing public spending, I'll opt for not doing something thanks.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
Great, so UK PLC must have an economy that's in rude health? But the reality is that borrowing has RISEN to record levels and keeps growing. The economy is so good that interest rates are near zero to try to keep the book almost afloat. The jobs that have been created are mostly low-skilled, minimum wage or zero-hours - with poverty wages propped up by tax credits. And don't forget that a large part of the jobs created are taken by foreigners. Sounds great. Only big business really gains.

And if you think I backed the actions of New Labour, you're even further from the mark.

Yes we borrow more, but the deficit is reducing, and we will start to pay off the debt. What do you suggest then?

Unemployment has plummeted, which means more Brits in work. Yes employment has gone up and yes some of that is immigrants with poor skills on low wages. Yes we have a flood of immigrants and a shortage of houses.

If I looked at a company that was desperately trying to reduce it's costs but its borrowings were still spiralling, whilst at the same time it was losing skilled, high value employees and replacing them with subsidised, cheap labour - I would think that it was a company that's on the skids.

When will we be paying down our national debt?

 

[ladylola]

It should also of course be mentioned that one of the original aims was a safer Europe

With recent events in mind, I'm not sure that Merkel is singing from the same hymn sheet.

I refer you to post #36........

Yes, I read ladylola's post and replied to it before getting as far down as yours. Thought I would leave my post as it is proof that great minds.................................

Should of course be noted I said original aims not current aims.

 

[JBR]

I'd still like to know whether it is good value for money, though. What do we get for that?

Let's see......

Being dictated to about working hours and pay, being dictated to about how the U.K. must dispose of its garbage and keep its countryside clean, being dictated to about fishing and agriculture, having to deal with the ridiculously convoluted and bureaucratic system that is VAT, being told how to run the country's railways, being told how to run the country's telephone system, being dictated to about how Britain may trade with the rest of the world outside of the EU, being told what devices must be fitted to new cars, living with the risk of being arrested for some alleged offense in another EU country one has never even visited and being hauled off to face trial there without a British judge even looking at the case first - Shall we go on?

Yep, sure sounds like a great deal!

Oh, I'm so glad. At least we're getting something worthwhile for our money.