When considering in or out:

[PBC_1966]

Ha, a charge against someone, who shares your opinion, was planted.

I said it's a possibility. But then as you just said:

It has absolutely nothing to do with his opinion on USSR or EU.

He was a conspiracy theorist. You're following his lead on that as well:

In a February 2006 interview with The Brussels Journal, Bukovsky said he had read confidential documents from secret Soviet files in 1992 which confirmed the existence of a "conspiracy" to turn the European Union into a socialist organisation. The European Union was a "monster", he argued, and it must be destroyed, the sooner the better, "before it develops into a full-fledged totalitarian state".

The EU is already very much a socialist organization in many ways. Whether there were any such confidential documents I have no idea, but he's entirely correct about the way the EU is headed and how it must be stopped.

Today's ideology of the European Union is social-democratic, statist, and a big part of it is also political correctness. I watch very carefully how political correctness spreads and becomes an oppressive ideology, not to mention the fact that they forbid smoking almost everywhere now.

Also entirely correct.

 

[PBC_1966]

Are you seriously suggesting they would invade?

Ultimately, I think it may be a possibility in few more decades when the EU has taken over almost complete control of everything.

Who is it runs Guantanamo - in a country they have crippled for decades?

That's not right either.

 

[JohnD]

entirely correct.

Entirely false.

 

[Himaginn]

..... but he's entirely correct about the way the EU is headed and how it must be stopped.

It looks to me as though you're verging on interventionism.
You're wanting to force your opinion on others against their wishes. And you accuse the EU of such behaviour.

 

[JohnD]

In the same way, if one were like PBC and trying to whip up Fear of Foreigners, PBC might say that the US is in many ways a very right-wing country already. If it continues in that direction (and is already looking at an avowedly Fascist presidential candidate) then the UK will need to be part of a strong European alliance; otherwise, as PBC says, an invasion may be a possibility in few more decades

 

[PBC_1966]

Now this is just getting silly.

 

[JohnD]

yes, you were very silly to suggest that the EU would invade the UK.

I'm glad you're realised it now.

I suppose it's due to your obsessive desire to create a Fear of Foreigners to encourage the Europhobe campaigners.

The most important objective of the people who founded the European project was to prevent a recurrence of the terrible war they had just lived through.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Methinks he has been living in Paranoialand too long.

 

[Gerrydelasel]

The most important objective of the people who founded the European project was to prevent a recurrence of the terrible war they had just lived through.

And yet polls show most of the people who actually lived through the war want out of the EU.

 

[JohnD]

People who had lived through the war as adults, and had actual war experience, would now be aged 90 and more.
I have not seen a poll identifying their views. Please show me the polls you think you have seen.

 

[Brigadier]

yes, you were very silly to suggest that the EU would invade the UK.

I'm glad you're realised it now.

I suppose it's due to your obsessive desire to create a Fear of Foreigners to encourage the Europhobe campaigners.

The most important objective of the people who founded the European project was to prevent a recurrence of the terrible war they had just lived through.

The logical end to the EU project will be that there will be no "foreigners" (inside the EU superstate) to fear.

 

[JohnD]

That's not "logical," it's just a silly made-up assortment of words.

 

[Brigadier]

No border.
No currency.
Same laws.
Same language (eventually; everything else is predicated towards greater union, so why not?).
Brits will no longer be Brits (nor Germans, Germans, etc), any more than people up the road from me identify themselves as "High Streeters".

 

[Gerrydelasel]

People who had lived through the war as adults, and had actual war experience, would now be aged 90 and more.
I have not seen a poll identifying their views. Please show me the polls you think you have seen.

Those who lived through the war as children also count (they lived through the aftermath as adults, before even the EEC). 54% of over 55s favour Brexit (that includes the over 80 bracket, before you furrow your brow with incomprehension).
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/02/eu-referendum-young-voters-brexit-leave

My own grandfather (87) commented that Cameron's threat of a European war was risible scaremongering. If there's going to be a war, it will be with the Muslim nations.

 

[JohnD]

polls show most of the people who actually lived through the war

No they don't.

Your quote shows 54% of the over 55's, which is not at all the same thing.