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Cavilling again
It's obvious that cloud cuckoo land has few if any immigrants.
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You only disagree with two words of the original post that you extracted the quote from, then.
I went straight to the heart of his whinge. Perhaps you think he was complaining about something else.
The Europhobes have decided to concentrate on Fear of Foreigners now their other claims have been so roundly defeated.
The Europhobes have decided to concentrate on Fear of Foreigners now their other claims have been so roundly defeated.
Just what are all these claims which you claim have been defeated?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/
How convenient - A link from that report to another story which demonstrates more EU interference, to follow the vacuum cleaner business:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...tle-and-toaster-crackdown-after-brexit-vote2/
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You never give up quoting fear of foreigners do you John. We're British, we just dislike anyone who's not like us. It'd be interesting to know you're background, as you're so desperate to remain in the EU, that you just knock most peoples arguments with the standard negative spiel.
The lower educated sun readers, are the ones on minimum wage that are getting kept there by all the naughty "foreigners" that are prepared to work hard for a better life than they'd get in their own country. When there's an excess of workers, firms don't need to pay more than the minimum wage. When there's an excess of people, house prices and rents rise - simple supply and demand formulas by the way, not fear of foreigners - and it takes longer to get an appointment at the hospital/Doctor etc.
Yes, there are a lot more reasons to these problems, foreign money buying up London property, no social housing built by local authorities, the lack of investment in a sensible infrastructure; ineptitude by previous governments etc etc etc, but at the end of the day, if immigration continues to rise at a rate of over 300,000 per year, then we're in for problems, and I'm amazed that people can ignore this sort of situation, and pretend that nothings going to happen.
If the EU are determined to force their view of Europe on us, and ignore the problems we are facing with their draconian attitudes, then a sensible government would vote to leave not stay, so it begs the question of why they aren't doing that. I would vote to stay if they were more willing to be aware of the situation their dictates are putting us in. I would also prefer more honesty from the likes of Boris, whom I suspect hopes that if we vote leave, would then open proper negotiations for a truly reformed EU, but if the graduates et all who are supposed to help lead the country can't see where Europes heading, and vote accordingly, then god help us, because the problems that the uneducated sun readers have, will soon affect us all
The lower educated sun readers, are the ones on minimum wage that are getting kept there by all the naughty "foreigners" that are prepared to work hard for a better life than they'd get in their own country. When there's an excess of workers, firms don't need to pay more than the minimum wage. When there's an excess of people, house prices and rents rise - simple supply and demand formulas by the way, not fear of foreigners - and it takes longer to get an appointment at the hospital/Doctor etc.
Yes, there are a lot more reasons to these problems, foreign money buying up London property, no social housing built by local authorities, the lack of investment in a sensible infrastructure; ineptitude by previous governments etc etc etc, but at the end of the day, if immigration continues to rise at a rate of over 300,000 per year, then we're in for problems, and I'm amazed that people can ignore this sort of situation, and pretend that nothings going to happen.
If the EU are determined to force their view of Europe on us, and ignore the problems we are facing with their draconian attitudes, then a sensible government would vote to leave not stay, so it begs the question of why they aren't doing that. I would vote to stay if they were more willing to be aware of the situation their dictates are putting us in. I would also prefer more honesty from the likes of Boris, whom I suspect hopes that if we vote leave, would then open proper negotiations for a truly reformed EU, but if the graduates et all who are supposed to help lead the country can't see where Europes heading, and vote accordingly, then god help us, because the problems that the uneducated sun readers have, will soon affect us all
How about your claim that it's the Commission that holds all the power, makes all the decisions, etc.
Clearly that is not the case. On the temporary Visa free travel for Turkey:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36272677
What nonsense again! Because someone thinks we'd be better off in EU, you deduce that to be "desperate to remain" Talk about hyperbole!
So they're the ones who are easiest persuaded that it's all the fault of the foreigners!
a) you're making the gigantic assumption that immigration will continue at such a rate. b)even though it's proven that immigrants add to our economy?
So if we exit the EU and our economy takes a tumble, all those immigrants will return home and our economy doesn't just tumble, it goes into free fall.
An argument built on an incorrect assumption!
So how many times have you consulted with your MEP?
Fat chance of that!
And our vision is so much better than the graduates et al?
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It wasn't his view. It was the view of the Government.
Take an analogy:
The Iraq invasion. It was the Governments view that we should invade Iraq. Money was spent, by the Government, in persuading people to support that view. That's a proper use of Government's money, to persuade the electorate to support them.
A similar analogy could hold for Hanging, National Speed Limit, Smoking Bans, etc, etc.
That's exactly what happened in this instance. The Government hold a view and spend Government money to persuade the electorate to support that view.
Of course, because you disagree with the Government's view you're trying to make political capital out of that use of Government money.
Additionally, the fact that some Brexiters have been discovered breaking the rules illustrates their dishonesty. So we do care!
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Based on the historical trends that is an extremely fair assumption.
"add to our" economy' is a meaningless, nebulous concept. Maybe with no immigrants the economy would be even bigger. Maybe if we swapped all white British for Nigerians, overnight, it would get even bigger. We can never know. The economy is red herring in the immigration debate.
People need to get out of the trap of thinking 'the economy' is a tangible substance that needs to 'get bigger' for everyone to be happier. Indeed, a weakening of the pound is often a good thing because it makes our products cheaper abroad, driving export and production from within. After the rife unemployment of the 1980s, Black Wednesday turned out to be the catalyst that has driven the staggering improvement in the British economy we see today, where almost everything (except property) is cheaper and more widely available than ever before. (I am forever impressed that a pint of milk costs the same today as it did in 1990!)
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First of all, it wasn't John's comment, it was mine. Quite honestly, if you can't get that bit right, what chance of you getting a bigger picture right?
It's not meaningless. It means that our economy is x+ GDP, rather than just x GDP. Hence if our economy was not increasing, we'd be decreasing in global terms. How long do you think we could sustain a relative decrease in our economy before the country is declared a third world state?
A cheaper pound also makes our products more expensive. We buy raw materials and other components from abroad, which would be more expensive, which in turn would make our products more expensive. So think longer and wider before coming to over-simplistic ideas.
Additionally, more or less all our food would become more expensive. Even our home grown food is subsidised via the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).
I'm adding to my comment because you added to your after I'd responded.
You're making an assumption that it was the exit from the ERM that helped our economy. The facts do not support your assumption:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday
Additionally, it's the CAP that has allowed us to maintain the low prices of foodstuffs.
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Ah, you think deleting the wrong name from a click-quote somehow trumps the data. I guess you won that one
And a cheaper pound would encourage us to source them from home, driving primary industry. So think locally and pregressively before coming to over-simplistic ideas.
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