Oh good, another citation.
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1975 - The previous 'In or out' job.
http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/index.html
Here is the alleged contents of the 1975 referendum blurb from Government - Was it proven correct or not ?
http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm
Did Eddy Heath's gang keep an FO report on 'The Werner Plan' concerning greater Euro' integration than merely a trading partnership ??
Same old same old.
No mention of fishing industry in this thread yet.
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http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/index.html
Here is the alleged contents of the 1975 referendum blurb from Government - Was it proven correct or not ?
http://www.harvard-digital.co.uk/euro/pamphlet.htm
Did Eddy Heath's gang keep an FO report on 'The Werner Plan' concerning greater Euro' integration than merely a trading partnership ??
Same old same old.
No mention of fishing industry in this thread yet.
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I wouldn't hold your breath!
It was all very biased, just the same as the present pro-EU givernment blurb is now. Notice, for example, the part extolling all the millions of pounds of grants received from the EEC, but absolutely no mention of how much the U.K. was paying to the EEC in the first place.
Which included the plan for fixed exchange rates followed by monetary union by 1980.
The government has a habit of "losing" and never mentioning again any report which doesn't support its already established view, even when it's a report commissioned by the government itself.
The Common Fisheries Policy - One of the earlier results of EEC membership along with VAT and the CAP.
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You'll have a room mate then.
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How harsh. He speaks so highly of you.
No.
However bear in mind that the cost is around 0.5% of GDP, so even a 1% drop (if we resign from membership of our largest market) will more than outweigh the cost. Apart from a few fringe economists on the Resign side, it is generally accepted that resignation will cost us a substantial loss of trade. The only remaining argument is whether it will be Bad, or Very Very Bad.
It's amusing that the lunatic fringe, such as Boris, like to throw in one side of the Cost:Benefit case, while pretending that the other side doesn't exist.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36286449
We don't know what we would have to pay, as a non-member, to access the Single Market after resignation. Perhaps it would be as much as Norway.
"Countries outside the EU, which want access to the single market, such as Norway and Switzerland, still make contributions to the EU Budget.
It's a slightly difficult comparison to make, but fortunately a paper from the House of Commons Library from 2013 did it for us.
It says that Norway's contribution to the EU in 2011 was £106 per capita, compared with the UK's net contribution of £128 per capita in the same year."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36040060
It depends where you look -
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/
Apparently the EU themselves say we pay less than reported - well they...
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/
Apparently the EU themselves say we pay less than reported - well they...
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Why does everyone seem to worry about figures and statistics, when they are not the main issue. The EU is struggling to get out of the recession it's one size fits all policy has created, and our exports to the EU have dropped for the 2nd year running, and we now import £89 billion more for them than they do from us, and the rest of the world is a much bigger market for us.
The EU will try and cause us problems, partially because they are stupid enough to cut off their noses to spite their faces, and it'll just depend on whether the Government has the b***s to stand up to them. The EU knows that if we leave, other will try and go as well, and no one at the top wants be go down in history as having caused the breakup of the EU, so you're going to get every ones sided argument, no matter how stupid they are, to frighten you in to staying.
Until the EU either shrinks to a more manageable size, or preferably, re-evaluates how it works, then it's a doomed structure that's going to fail sooner or later, and for our own sake, we need to have the courage to be the first rat to leave the sinking ship.
Everyone on this site works for themselves, and we're used to changing direction as market conditions change, so why can't we apply that to the bigger picture. We we go through boom times, and enjoy ourselves, and we go through recessions and survive, and I suspect most of us would do a better job of running the government than the professional politicians who have never done a proper days work in the real world.
But after all these arguments, has anyone actually changed their mind on how they'll vote - I doubt it.
The EU will try and cause us problems, partially because they are stupid enough to cut off their noses to spite their faces, and it'll just depend on whether the Government has the b***s to stand up to them. The EU knows that if we leave, other will try and go as well, and no one at the top wants be go down in history as having caused the breakup of the EU, so you're going to get every ones sided argument, no matter how stupid they are, to frighten you in to staying.
Until the EU either shrinks to a more manageable size, or preferably, re-evaluates how it works, then it's a doomed structure that's going to fail sooner or later, and for our own sake, we need to have the courage to be the first rat to leave the sinking ship.
Everyone on this site works for themselves, and we're used to changing direction as market conditions change, so why can't we apply that to the bigger picture. We we go through boom times, and enjoy ourselves, and we go through recessions and survive, and I suspect most of us would do a better job of running the government than the professional politicians who have never done a proper days work in the real world.
But after all these arguments, has anyone actually changed their mind on how they'll vote - I doubt it.
If I could just take a moment correct this:
Gee, no ****, Sherlock. What this bit of project fear propaganda rather overlooks is the increase in trade we would garner with, oh I don't know, let's say, China, India, Canada, USA, Australia... (all of which operate on British-style business models and even speak better English than the EU countries).
One reason is certainly that outist crooks like Boris and Farage shamelessly make up false stories and numbers to try to persuade the gullible. Of course this stirs up people who want to show up these lies.
No, I don't think you do. You are, perhaps, imagining that there are vast untapped markets in the world, full of people who would rather buy a British-made car or washing machine than a German or Polish one; and having the money to pay for it, yet for some unaccountable reason we have never tried to sell to them. Where are these countries? Uzbekistan? Afghanistan? Somalia?
Do you think we are not already trying to sell to China and Brazil?
Do you not believe that the President of the United States is better informed about its international interests than our mop-headed buffoon is?
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The one's we're not allowed to make trade agreements with, which is to say all of them. Make our own agreements and our products become more competative than the German or Polish ones. Duh.
Are you simple? Our trade deals with China and Somalia are arranged for us. We are represented there by one twenty-eighth of a European Commissioner. If we leave, we can make our own deal. A better deal.
I just love your blind optimism.
Switzerland is a non-EU country. What can you tell me about its deal with China?
What can you tell me about the advice the President of the United States recently gave, about US trade treaties with trading blocs and with individual countries?
Switzerland is a non-EU country. What can you tell me about its deal with China?
What can you tell me about the advice the President of the United States recently gave, about US trade treaties with trading blocs and with individual countries?
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