PIV electrics

[EFLImpudence]

I'm not sure where my statistics on the subject are - probably in the attic, where they'll stay until a paying client wants me to find them - but ISTR that the UK had a far lower incidence of reported fires of electrical origin than any other developed country. And yes, I know that the cause of fires is not always determined precisely so the absolute accuracy of those statistics is doubtful, but I would expect the inaccuracies to be similar in other countries, so the figures are comparable.

So, accepting that, as I cannot argue, and looking at it logically -

I think you will accept that a 13A fuse is no better protection than a 16A MCB, therefore it must, indeed, be John's method which prevents in Britain, and low rated appliances abroad which cause, these extra fires.

 

[stillp]

It was stated from the outset that the fuse is to protect the cable, not the appliance.

Stated where, when, and by whom?
Are you getting confused by the fact that the fuses in an installation are there to protect the cables within that installation and not anything external to the installation?

 

[winston1]

Are you getting confused by the fact that the fuses in an installation are there to protect the cables within that installation and not anything external to the installation?

Nope.

 

[stillp]

I think you will accept that a 13A fuse is no better protection than a 16A MCB

Without having the figures to hand, yes, I will agree with that.

therefore it must, indeed, be John's method which prevents in Britain, and low rated appliances abroad which cause, these extra fires.

By "John's method" I presume you're referring to the practice of fitting the lowest-rated fuse that allows the appliance to function? That probably has some influence, although I believe the majority of fires of electrical origin in France are blamed on faults in the installation.

 

[stillp]

Nope.

So can you answer my questions above?

 

[EFLImpudence]

By "John's method" I presume you're referring to the practice of fitting the lowest-rated fuse that allows the appliance to function?

Yes.

That probably has some influence, although I believe the majority of fires of electrical origin in France are blamed on faults in the installation.

Oh, so nothing to do with rings and the plug fuses?

 

[stillp]

That probably has some influence

 

[winston1]

So can you answer my questions above?

Google is your friend but:

http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/guides-and-advice/electrical-items/plugs-and-fuses/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types (scroll down to fuses).

 

[stillp]

From the ESF link: "As a rule of thumb, fuses are rated according to the power rating of the appliance."

The opinions expressed by the Wikipedia article are only that, opinions.

Do you disagree that lower-value fuses permit lower values of let-through energy?

 

[winston1]

From the ESF link: "As a rule of thumb, fuses are rated according to the power rating of the appliance."

From the ESF link.
How does a fuse work?
The fuse in a plug is a safety device designed to protect the lead rather than the appliance. It is a deliberate weak link in a circuit which will 'blow' if an electrical appliance or extension lead draws too much current due to either an overload or a fault. The blown fuse cuts off the electricity to stop the lead and appliance from overheating and causing a fire.

The opinions expressed by the Wikipedia article are only that, opinions.

But correct ones in this case.

Do you disagree that lower-value fuses permit lower values of let-through energy?

That may be so, but it is not what the fuse is for.

 

[stillp]

At times I despair.

 

[flameport]

If they are double insulated they have a moulded 2 pin Europlug or a CEE 7/17 plug for larger appliances. For non double insulated appliances they fit a moulded CEE 7/7 plug.

Only if it's sold in other countries, and it has a plug already fitted.

The UK model is supplied with a bare ended flex. No plug of any kind.

 

[winston1]

Only if it's sold in other countries, and it has a plug already fitted.

The UK model is supplied with a bare ended flex. No plug of any kind.

The question was asked about other countries.

It is illegal to sell appliances in the UK with bare ended flex.

 

[flameport]

It is illegal to sell appliances in the UK with bare ended flex.

Some appliances. Not all.

 

[Iggifer]

Howdens should be shut down and prosecuted! All those illegal hobs they sell with a bare flex!