So what a horrible plan

[SirGalahad]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-radical-plan-for-us-uk-brexit-trade-deal-nhs

A radical blueprint for a free trade deal between the UK and the US that would see the NHS opened to foreign competition, a bonfire of consumer and environmental regulations and freedom of movement between the two countries for workers, is to be launched by prominent Brexiters.

This is madness. Pure madness.

If you think privatisation of healthcare will save costs and be cheaper and reduce waste. Well reality paints a different picture. Look at the graph below. The US system of disparate health providers is exceptionally inefficient.

If you think this deal will create jobs and wage growth then you need to look at the realities on the ground in the US.

Brexit, sure but this is economic suicide.

 

[ellal]

Brexit, sure but this is economic suicide.

Brexit is economic suicide!

Along with a political surrender to the US...

And that's a far worse scenario than even the most rabid brexiteer could come up with to justify their xenophobic hatred of the EU!

 

[SirGalahad]

If they think they had a loss of sovereignty under the EU, then being under the hegemony of the US where we will have even less say is truly a frightening prospect.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/13/american-economy-wage-suppression-how-it-works

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/opinion/wage-stagnation-unemployment-economic-growth.html

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...rs-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

I don't need to add anything else than the economy grows but the wages do not through wage suppression. Inequality has increased in the US.

Fine make your own way in the world but tying yourself to the US system is beyond madness.

 

[Brigade77]

The NHS as you know it is finished.

The changes so far have been gradual & at times subtle, but it is finished. If you needed to roadmap a project to end free healthcare in the UK it would be very similar to that which is actually happening.

I find it difficult to describe our current system as anything other than free, yet when other people describe it as free I want to throat punch them. It isn't free, we pay for it.

Sadly, we don't pay for it in the way they want it to be paid for.

 

[SirGalahad]

The NHS as you know it is finished.

The changes so far have been gradual & at times subtle, but it is finished. If you needed to roadmap a project to end free healthcare in the UK it would be very similar to that which is actually happening.

I find it difficult to describe our current system as anything other than free, yet when other people describe it as free I want to throat punch them. It isn't free, we pay for it.

Sadly, we don't pay for it in the way they want it to be paid for.

What point are you trying to make? Finished because it is being privatised?

Pay for it how?

 

[Brigade77]

Pay for it how?

Exactly.

 

[ellal]

The NHS as you know it is finished.

Finished because it is being privatised?

There we have it in a nutshell...

It's no wonder that the tories/quitter protagonists/spivs want to have 'nothing to do with the European social model'.

They smell the money to be made!

Oh, and as a bonus the poorer people who don't tend to vote for such policies tend to die off more quickly after their life of servitude

 

[SirGalahad]

Exactly.

You have any thoughts on this?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

and freedom of movement between the two countries for workers,

Jeez! That's a fantastic idea. If that ever happened, I'm on the first boat out of this shoite hole. We've got a lot more in common with The US than Germany or France.

 

[SirGalahad]

Jeez! That's a fantastic idea. If that ever happened, I'm on the first boat out of this shoite hole. We've got a lot more in common with The US than Germany or France.

Just be careful you don't get ill or get shot. Which state would you go to?

There is a higher percentage of non whites in the USA than the UK and there are more people with German ancestry than English.

By 2050 non whites will be projected to become a majority.

You have no clue whatsoever.

 

[Yafo]

Jeez! That's a fantastic idea. If that ever happened, I'm on the first boat out of this shoite hole. We've got a lot more in common with The US than Germany or France.

Careful what you wish for.

France and Germany are good local partners. USA are our (soon to be) masters.

We are geographically in Europe. Why do you want to be, or consider yourself more American?

And as you quitters keep saying. Why not move there?

Then find out what the biggest cause of bankruptcy (even for the well off) is. It might surprise you, it should certainly ring alarm bells.

 

[ellal]

Then find out what the biggest cause of bankruptcy (even for the well off) is. It might surprise you, it should certainly ring alarm bells.

'Friends' without benefits!

 

[vinty]

According to the commonwealth fund the NHS for 2 years in a row has come first in a survey of 11 countries ,America was bottom of the list.
Despite America spending a bigger proportion of its GDP on health care than the UK it still comes out at the bottom.
Is this disparity due to the fact that in private health care you have to factor in a margin of profit for investors and shareholders who don't contribute anything to the running of the system other than their money on which they expect a return.

 

[Notch7]

If you think privatisation of healthcare will save costs and be cheaper and reduce waste. Well reality paints a different picture. Look at the graph below. The US system of disparate health providers is exceptionally inefficient

I cant actually see, where in the Cato report, you link it mentions healthcare

 

[motorbiking]

The model under which the NHS was created cannot continue. Put simply too many people living too long and working (and paying taxes) for a significantly shorter portion of their life.

The biggest improvement we can all make to the NHS, isn't privatisation or more funding, but reducing demand.
Eat better, be less fat, drink less booze and exercise more. Simples