Extending a loft conversion

[b21playa]

Hi all

Not long moved and this place had a loft conversion in the early 70s. Due to the roof style nothing could be done on the front, so it goes from ridge point towards the back around 2m. The rooms are not big and was thinking of extending out to the original outer walls of the house, which would gain approx 2m and would mean I could add a shower room (6bed house with 1 small bathroom).

Is this something that can be done? Would I need full planning permission or do it under permitted development?

Picture of the front & rear attached which says more

Many thanks

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[noseall]

Holy Mother! That is one heck of an ugly rear elevation.

 

[b21playa]

Holy Mother! That is one heck of an ugly rear elevation.

I know - suggestions welcome

 

[Leofric]

Get an architectural designer to draw a scheme for your approval , that is the usual procedure for house extensions of any significance.

 

[^woody^]

The 50 m3 PD volume limit might be problem. And I don't think any planner will agree a large whole second storey on that if applied for.

 

[b21playa]

The 50 m3 PD volume limit might be problem. And I don't think any planner will agree a large whole second storey on that if applied for.

Why wouldn’t they agree?

Currently rooms in the loft are 2.8m deep and the width of the house which is approx 10m. This includes the stairs.

Any suggestions that would get it agreed in your eyes as really could do with a shower room up there

Many thanks

 

[^woody^]

"Bulky, incongruous, out of proportion, not in character" come to mind.

If that is Birmingham Council, have a look at their supplementary guidance for home extensions - there are specific details for lofts, dormers and flat roof extensions. Other councils will have something similar.

 

[b21playa]

"Bulky, incongruous, out of proportion, not in character" come to mind.

If that is Birmingham Council, have a look at their supplementary guidance for home extensions - there are specific details for lofts, dormers and flat roof extensions. Other councils will have something similar.

Thanks a lot, will take a look

 

[noseall]

"Bulky, incongruous, out of proportion, not in character" come to mind

And that's before work has started.

 

[b21playa]

And that's before work has started.

Haha

 

[Leofric]

Get somebody to try and come up with a design that isn't "Bulky, incongruous, out of proportion, not in character". See my previous comment.

 

[b21playa]

Get somebody to try and come up with a design that isn't "Bulky, incongruous, out of proportion, not in character". See my previous comment.

Will do, just need to find someone decent. Last architect I used was good but swamped with work to take it on

 

[lt8480]

The 50 m3 PD volume limit might be problem. And I don't think any planner will agree a large whole second storey on that if applied for.

Yeah as woody says the 50m3 restriction will be a problemc under PD. To note - any volume previously added above the original roofline will eat out of the allowance before you even start works... both the previous and new roof extensions combined have to be below 50 cubic metres to count as PD.

Your best chance on this will be a planning application with good design that you can argue is an improvement on what currently exists.

 

[b21playa]

Yeah as woody says the 50m3 restriction will be a problemc under PD. To note - any volume previously added above the original roofline will eat out of the allowance before you even start works... both the previous and new roof extensions combined have to be below 50 cubic metres to count as PD.

Your best chance on this will be a planning application with good design that you can argue is an improvement on what currently exists.

Thanks

Yes would go with full planning application rather than PD as there are other changes in making around the house, and easier as one application. Just need to find a decent architect and come up with a good design.
If anyone has any suggestions or images of one’s done before that would be most welcomed.

Thanks again