Boris and backstop

[festive]

I'm intrigued so far we've had a large group of pro remainers searching for a resolution to backstop. Like 'looking' for your lost car keys when you don't want to go out anyway.. will they find a solution now they really want to go?

 

[Notch7]

Lets imagine Boris gets an agreement on the Backstop.

What has he achieved?

Has he achieved what Leavers want?

All it means is it is the current withdrawal agreement with no backstop.

Whoopie Doo

PS WA is not a deal.
It just means years of negotiation from a position of weakness -which is what all forms of Brexit are.

 

[durhamplumber]

Lets imagine Boris gets an agreement on the Backstop.

What has he achieved?

Has he achieved what Leavers want?

All it means is it is the current withdrawal agreement with no backstop.

Whoopie Doo

PS WA is not a deal.
It just means years of negotiation from a position of weakness -which is what all forms of Brexit are.

Notchy covering his ass for when we leave! Rather than admit he has been talkin bolox for 3 years.

 

[Notch7]

Notchy covering his ass for when we leave! Rather than admit he has been talkin bolox for 3 years.

Its amusing that you continue to shout 'nonsense' at every post I make.

Yet you have not responded, even a single time with a counter argument.

The reason is obvious, you know Im right, you are just too scared to admit it

 

[durhamplumber]

Its amusing that you continue to shout 'nonsense' at every post I make.

Yet you have not responded, even a single time with a counter argument.

The reason is obvious, you know Im right, you are just too scared to admit it

Not half as un amusing as your use of the word "fact"

 

[durhamplumber]

The reason is obvious, you know Im right, you are just too scared to admit it

Spot on Notchy,,,,That is funny!

 

[Notch7]

Not half as un amusing as your use of the word "fact"

Here is a few more un-amusing facts:

In the event of a no deal, the UK will lose 759 trade agreements FACT
Without any trade deals, WTO most favoured nation rules apply FACT
under most favoured nation UK agriculture will be hugely damaged FACT
under most favoured nation tariffs Durham county will lose most of its agriculture FACT
Durhamplumber voted for the farms in his county to go bust FACT

Enjoy

 

[durhamplumber]

Here is a few more un-amusing facts:

In the event of a no deal, the UK will lose 759 trade agreements FACT
Without any trade deals, WTO most favoured nation rules apply FACT
under most favoured nation UK agriculture will be hugely damaged FACT
under most favoured nation tariffs Durham county will lose most of its agriculture FACT
Durhamplumber voted for the farms in his county to go bust FACT

Enjoy

I suppose I voted for you to do away with full stops and the sky to fall in too.

 

[Notch7]

I suppose I voted for you to do away with full stops and the sky to fall in too.

You don't know what you voted for.

 

[Notch7]

I'm intrigued so far we've had a large group of pro remainers searching for a resolution to backstop

Are you sure?

What remainers?

Like 'looking' for your lost car keys when you don't want to go out anyway..

Not really.

Leavers keep saying they are waiting for the EU to blink -but leavers dont want frictionless trade, what they want is more checks, more paperwork, more costs for UK business.

So they are playing brinkmanship for a deal they dont want

 

[festive]

Are you sure?

What remainers?


Not really.

Leavers keep saying they are waiting for the EU to blink -but leavers dont want frictionless trade, what they want is more checks, more paperwork, more costs for UK business.

So they are playing brinkmanship for a deal they dont want

No the EU are pro remain they couldn't find a solution to Ireland neither could May who was also a reluctant weak negotiator for leave and pro remain under the hood.
Up until Boris and his team took over.

There has been examples of trade between Canada US etc which could work but yes i think we all want to be able to trade but no it doesn't mean we have to abide to all rules the EU dictate around.

What we dont want is yes we will buy your English fish and chips only if you abide by1000's of other conditions and strict rules and be our biatch and do what we say. Yes i know we have our own sovereignty blah blah.. No we don't give a **** or preference to your Steel industry etc etc.

 

[charliegolf]

I'm intrigued so far we've had a large group of pro remainers searching for a resolution to backstop. Like 'looking' for your lost car keys when you don't want to go out anyway.. will they find a solution now they really want to go?

Two points:

First, I might want to go somewhere sometime, so finding the key is er, good sense.
Second, 48% of the referendum voters are disappointed at the result and feel ignored when 'they' said we would have our expectations met too. Wanting a backstop resolution is simply trying to avoid phase 2 (getting mightily ****ed up the back bottom by a no deal brexit) becoming a painful reality.

That help?

 

[Notch7]

it doesn't mean we have to abide to all rules the EU dictate around.

What we dont want is yes we will buy your English fish and chips only if you abide by1000's of other conditions and strict rules and be our biatch and do what we say

But that is an emotional response with emotive words like 'dictate'.

It does not have a basis in reality nor is it true.

Yes the EU does create a lot of rules -but they haven't been created by the EU, they have been developed from all of the different separate regulations by nation states and brought into a single set of rules.
That creates the opportunity for the UK to trade with 27 different countries wiithout having to abide by slightly different rules for every country.

Many British standards have been become EU rules.

Sir Paul Jenkins, a former Treasury solicitor who headed up the Government Legal Department. He thinks the whole debate is a red herring.

"This is one of many areas in the EU debate where both sides describe meaningless nonsense as facts," he says.

"The impact of EU law varies from sector to sector. In many areas - public order, crime, defence, health - EU laws have minimal impact. But in others - workers' rights, trade - the impact is much greater because the single market and the free movement of workers are at the heart of what the EU is about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36473105

 

[Vinty]

The EU will hold out until the last moment in the hope that the remainer faction in the UK parliament will nobble the prospect of no deal.
If the remainer faction are successful then the EU will be in the driving seat because the only choice left to the UK will be either accept Mays WA or come up with a deal which is acceptable to the EU,

 

[Notch7]

The EU will hold out until the last moment in the hope that the remainer faction in the UK parliament will nobble the prospect of no deal.

if no deal goes through -it will just mean the UK will return to the EU...for a deal.

If the remainer faction are successful then the EU will be in the driving seat because the only choice left to the UK will be either accept Mays WA or come up with a deal which is acceptable to the EU

And how do you think the leave faction are in anyway in the driving seat?