How long have private diesels got left?

[Brigadier]

Many cannot afford electric.

Many cannot currently charge their cars while at home, having no driveway.

While range anxiety is not realistic for most car users, it is another tick in the "con" column for many.


But, diesel is the devil's juice, and is becoming more and more expensive to run (tax, emission zones, etc). Hence, less attractive, and less practical.

Where's it going to end up, and when?

 

[Doug99]

Its the private diesel car owners who are going to be shafted whilst the business bus/lorry/van users will continue to pollute and argue they cannot make the change due to cost.

 

[Brigadier]

How could that be, though?
Unless the government gave favourable breaks to business diesel users (which I can't see happening)?

Also, as diesel becomes more and more the antichrist, this to some extent works in the private buyer's favour ; you can get a lot of car for your money nowadays, which greatly offsets the increase in road fund licence, for example.

 

[motorbiking]

We have a couple of diesels in the household. One has 310 bhp and manages 45-50mpg easily. It doesn’t get hit with either of the pollution zone taxes. The other is a bit older (XC90) and only has to pay the ultra low tax.

 

[JohnD]

the major manufacturers have stopped development of new IC engined cars, and I expect that by the time your diesel is ready for the scrapyard, there will be plenty of EVs to choose from.

Produced in vast numbers, they are not all going to be expensive toys.

Unlike Tesla, the big car companies know how to turn out large numbers, easy to assemble, easy to repair, at all price points.

Unlike Tesla, they are not constantly on the verge of bankruptcy.

 

[sodthisforfun]

We will have to get rid of the one diesel we have, due to the London pollution tax when it expands next year. Visiting the 90 year old father in law 3 times a week between us is going to be too expensive. ****es me off actually, they should've let cars phase out over a few years.

 

[motorbiking]

model 3 is a great car and decent value too. Under 40k now so tax free I think.

can’t think of too many cars that come close competitionwise. Made a few bob on TSLA but they are too risky for me to keep large holdings in

 

[ellal]

When cars powered by diesel (and petrol) are gradually taken off the road then obviously the exchequer will take a big hit...

So it's a given that EV's will start to be taxed more and more heavily...

And that's where smart meters also come in to play

 

[Brigade77]

I've been thinking looong & hard recently about this very subject . . . .

The only conclusion I can come to is there will only be (at max) 40% of the current number of vehicles on the road.

 

[Mottie]

We will have to get rid of the one diesel we have, due to the London pollution tax when it expands next year. Visiting the 90 year old father in law 3 times a week between us is going to be too expensive. ****es me off actually, they should've let cars phase out over a few years.

Both our cars are stinky diesels - the Evoque and the Golf. We're just outside the London zone too but I work inside it. Rarely take them in though unless I need to service/repair them - train or motorcycle for me. Will probably keep the Evoque as it’s a glorified dog kennel but may chop the Golf for something petrol. My mate has sold his MOT station and finishes up next week - getting out just in time as going to lose a load of business when the ulez comes in plus they’ve just made it a residents parking zone so customers can’t park their cars anywhere near. His station is going to be redeveloped for housing. I have planning permission for my workshop too. Will probably do my last MOT next week as that’s where I’m registered at. Going to be busy with mots next week.

 

[Newboy]

Its the private diesel car owners who are going to be shafted whilst the business bus/lorry/van users will continue to pollute and argue they cannot make the change due to cost.

OK then - find me a medium sized electric 'white van' with sufficient range to carry tools and materials to complete a working day.

The best range quoted by a manufacturer at the moment tops out at c.100 miles (best conditions) and I suspect that is about as reliable a figure as the manufacturers' MPG figures for IC engines.

So cost isn't the primary concern (although it obviously is a factor) - actually having a usable vehicle that enables a day's work to be completed is.

 

[fillyboy]

Less than 20 of the world's largest cargo ships, can create more sulphur pollution than all the diesel engine cars in the world. There are around 100,000 cargo ships circumnavigating the world. The engines on the largest ships can burn more fuel than a power station. The diesel the ships burn is un-regulated so it tends to be high sulphur dregs that wouldn't be permitted for sale in garages.

I think I'll say that once more for dramatic effect, less than 20 of the world's largest cargo ships, create more pollution than all the cars in the world. F*** me!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

Yeah I know the article is 10 years old but I haven't read much about cargo ships converting to nuclear power so I assume not much has changed, except for there being more of them.

 

[fillyboy]

Both our cars are stinky diesels - the Evoque and the Golf. We're just outside the London zone too but I work inside it. Rarely take them in though unless I need to service/repair them - train or motorcycle for me. Will probably keep the Evoque as it’s a glorified dog kennel but may chop the Golf for something petrol. My mate has sold his MOT station and finishes up next week - getting out just in time as going to lose a load of business when the ulez comes in plus they’ve just made it a residents parking zone so customers can’t park their cars anywhere near. His station is going to be redeveloped for housing. I have planning permission for my workshop too. Will probably do my last MOT next week as that’s where I’m registered at. Going to be busy with mots next week.

If I PM you with my reg no and mileage can you bosh me out a quick one before you finish?

 

[Mottie]

Let me think about it. Thought about it. No.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Not so much too many cars, as too many people. UK population expected to grow by another 3 million in 10 years.

I don't know much about electric cars, but how do people who live in flats or houses without drives charge their cars? What happens when everyone gets home from work at 6pm and plugs their cars in? Does The UK have the spare capacity to charge millions of electric cars?