Air vent brick in the drains

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Hi,

I am cleaning up my bungalow following a rental period.

I think I have a problem with the drain.

The kitchen sink and the washing machine are connected to the same drain outside right under the kitchen window. It is a 100 year old house so it is done the old fashion way, the 2 evacuation pipes reach an open drain with a grid, the drain being connected to the main sewage. See my photos.

Because of the grid, if the occupants of the house throw a lot of grease or rubbish in the kitchen sink, the grid gets covered and the open section of the drain fills up, overflows... It can be messy and occupants sometimes think that the drains are blocked when they are not, just the grid is dirty and does not let the water going further in the drain.

Cleaning that this week-end, I removed 2 buckets of grease of the drain and rubbing again the sides of the wall at that level, I saw 2 holes which are the holes of a metal air brick, in the drain (on photo3, 2 black holes over the white pipes, this is the bottom of an air brick almost invisible).
All that explains the funny smell in the house, specially the kitchen, I always thought it was smelling "old and mouldy" but normal in an old bungalow (we bought the bungalow only 3 years ago).

Anyway, I don't think that it is good as obviously dirty water leaks from the air brick under the house.

The air brick is positioned on the vertical back wall 3cm over the white pipes and maybe 15cms over the half clay pipe forming the drain, it must have been built like that. It shoudn't be a problem if people clean regularly the grid of the drain but if dirty water builds up in the open drain, than it leaks under the house.

How can I fix that? Is it common in old houses? Should we remove the metal air brick and replace by a normal brick? Should we apply a bit of cement or another product over the air brick to block it? What else could we do?

I will ask my husband to throw a bit of acid in the drain to clean and clear the all thing and maybe to show a better picture.

Thanks.

Letty
 

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Hi,



I will ask my husband to throw a bit of acid in the drain to clean and clear the all thing and maybe to show a better picture.

Thanks.

Letty
NO don't throw acids or strong stuff about ! Those 2 pipes need altering to discharge straight down into the gulley - chuck that grid away . You might get a plastic grid and cut holes for the pipes but it's not a necessity. The water going straight down will help clear the gulley. Jeyes Fluid is the stuff to splash around the gulley(y)
 
Hi,

By acid I meant this: https://shop.wessexcleaning.com/one-shot-drain-cleaner
When I opened the lid of that drain, there was a pile of muck standing there, I removed 2 dustpans of grease and other smelly rubbish.
I just want to be sure that nothing worse could possibly blocked the drain further.

You have a good idea there, I am bothered not to have thought about it myself before, we'll do that

What about this air brick in the wall at the level of those plastic pipes exit, should I block it anyway? with what?

Letty
 
he's not shown up yet but there's a dangerous fool who comes on these forums, and only the other day advised an OP to plunge his hand down gullies without the benefit of gloves - he was corrected.
at a later date (today?) he now suggests to use a black bin bag as a glove when cleaning out drainage.

OP,
you've been well advised - dont use any of these chemical concoctions, they all contain dangerous ingredients for the attending plumber.

fwiw, i can hardly make out whats in your photo's?
 
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What about this air brick in the wall at the level of those plastic pipes exit, should I block it anyway? with what?

No, don’t block it. You need ventilation under the floors.

Follow the others’ advice about improving the drain, and then if necessary think about what to do with the air brick.
 
Hello,

I am in the process of improving the drain.
I have uncovered the air brick and will make nice around it.
As advised, I will re-organise the plastic waste pipes (will join the 2 in 1) and make it go through the gully grid to avoid any further flooding due to dirty grid.
The grid is metal. It is very old and have a funny size, it is 5".
My problem is that I would need to replace it with a plastic one to be able to cut a hole in it but I cannot find anywhere that size in plastic.
150mm is too big. I could have a 110mm as there is a lip further down the hopper but I cannot find that size either.

Where can I find a 110mm grid please?

Shall I buy a 150mm a fiddle with it (won't be nice and I like when it is neat!)?

Thanks.
Letty
 

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That airbrick isn't ideal where it is- as you have found with the musty smells coming into the place. I can't tell from your pics where the airbrick is in relation to the actual gulley- if the gulley is on the left of the drain thing & the airbrick is on the right then reudcing the size of the drain thing will help significantly.
You could put a periscope on the airbrick but it would look rubbish. You could duct it above the drain thing but again it would look rubbish.
If you have any access to the subfloor, putting a new airbrick in would be the best bet, you can then block that one up
 
Hello,


As advised, I will re-organise the plastic waste pipes (will join the 2 in 1) and make it go through the gully grid to avoid any further flooding due to dirty grid.

Letty
No don't join the 2 into 1 - you will get one discharge pulling on the other pipe - keep them separate -or you will get smells because the traps are being "pulled". Plenty of room for 2 pipes to go down through the modified plastic grid. PS . Don't worry about bobasd and his comments - we finally got him banned ( and his 3 other aliases) (y)
 
When you're done, tell anyone who lives there that drains are not designed to dispose of oil and fat.
A few weeks ago Thames water sent out a team for cyclical maintenance of shared drains after 12 years.
They commented on how clean our drains were compared to the other terrace down our small street.
That's because I take everyone's cooking oil to the local tip once a month.
This is because years ago we kept on getting blockages and the long term solution was to educate the residents.
 
When you're done, tell anyone who lives there that drains are not designed to dispose of oil and fat.
I showed a customer their (kitchen) drain after we'd dug it up whilst building an extension. It looked like a furred up artery with an easy 70% reduction in capacity.
 

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