Nightingale Hospital has turned away more patients than it has treated

[SirGalahad]

Depends what's the greatest threat to their life but, and I stand by it, using the nightingales for covid only is also safest for those treating them.

What do you think a nightingale should be for then?

Doesn't work like greatest threat - therer are immediate effects which you need to balance against long term effects.

I mentioned dialysis and 28% of covid patients require dialysis. So now you would need to build up this facility and consultants to manage this if you offloaded all the Covid patients. As many covid patients have co-morbidities then you would need to have cover for all the illnesses - so you are arguing rebuilding the same facilities in a building not suited for that just to say you can keep all the patients in one place. Would you then also build an AnE dept as well? But then how would this work? How would you know they have covid without testing? Where would you keep them in the interim?

Your argument keeping all the covid patients in the Nightingale as a veneer of simplicity to it but no real practicality.

Well the Nightingales throughout the country will only be used for step down now - some sense has prevailed.

 

[Mottie]

Problems, problems never solutions.

 

[EddieM]

Doesn't work like greatest threat - therer are immediate effects which you need to balance against long term effects.

I mentioned dialysis and 28% of covid patients require dialysis. So now you would need to build up this facility and consultants to manage this if you offloaded all the Covid patients. As many covid patients have co-morbidities then you would need to have cover for all the illnesses - so you are arguing rebuilding the same facilities in a building not suited for that just to say you can keep all the patients in one place. Would you then also build an AnE dept as well? But then how would this work? How would you know they have covid without testing? Where would you keep them in the interim?

Your argument keeping all the covid patients in the Nightingale as a veneer of simplicity to it but no real practicality.

Well the Nightingales throughout the country will only be used for step down now - some sense has prevailed.

So what emergency equipment do you think we should stockpile, may a fleet of snowploughs in London for the inevitable massive snow dump London will get .... sometime in the future...? You are simply trolling.

 

[SirGalahad]

So what emergency equipment do you think we should stockpile, may a fleet of snowploughs in London for the inevitable massive snow dump London will get .... sometime in the future...? You are simply trolling.

The nightingales throughout the country have been moved to step down status. Only one trolling is you as you have no response.

What we should have stockpiled is explained in operations Cygnus. Do keep up.

 

[SirGalahad]

https://www.ft.com/content/09897050-13bc-4ebe-99af-25b8d2ab5781

To be admitted to one of its 4,000 beds, patients must need full ventilation but no other specialist support, a rubric that excludes patients with multiple organ failure or pregnant women, for example, because they do not have the specialist staff or equipment. One north London doctor complained that the Nightingale was “meant to exist to offload patients” when other hospitals were overwhelmed. “When you’ve got something that doesn’t do that it’s a waste of resources. It feels like they’re just cherry picking those patients less likely to die,” she added. One critical care doctor said that, as he and his fellow medics had learned more about the disease, they realised patients were likely to need renal or surgical support, which the Nightingale was not equipped to provide.

 

[transam]

https://www.ft.com/content/09897050-13bc-4ebe-99af-25b8d2ab5781

To be admitted to one of its 4,000 beds, patients must need full ventilation but no other specialist support, a rubric that excludes patients with multiple organ failure or pregnant women, for example, because they do not have the specialist staff or equipment. One north London doctor complained that the Nightingale was “meant to exist to offload patients” when other hospitals were overwhelmed. “When you’ve got something that doesn’t do that it’s a waste of resources. It feels like they’re just cherry picking those patients less likely to die,” she added. One critical care doctor said that, as he and his fellow medics had learned more about the disease, they realised patients were likely to need renal or surgical support, which the Nightingale was not equipped to provide.

Sounds like this nightingale hospital was all. A waste of time then

Have they considered any of the 14000 on the transgenda waiting list?
Yes exactly I bet no consideration has been given to there needs should they catch this foreign flu

Toilets?
Washing facility's?
Resident psychiatrist?

 

[durhamplumber]

Problems, problems never solutions.

He is such a frekin twistie bloke

 

[durhamplumber]

as he and his fellow medics had learned more about the disease,

Yes It is a steep learning curve for NHS...govt.Logistics...give them a break ffs.

 

[durhamplumber]

I honestly think Notchy and Gal would still twist if the UK had 60million ITU beds on standby,each with egyptian cotton monochored individual sheets,a ventilator,5 nurses,a consultant attached,and 60million ambulances parked outside every house in the UK.They would twisssssst.

 

[Notch7]

I honestly think Notchy and Gal would still twist if the UK had 60million ITU beds on standby,each with egyptian cotton monochored individual sheets,a ventilator,5 nurses,a consultant attached,and 60million ambulances parked outside every house in the UK.They would twisssssst.

reductio ad absurdum


you voted in a party that only had one skill: win an election by manipulating the public with propaganda and populism.
You were convinced you were voting for the 'will of the people' but all youve achieved is 'Tory MP self interest'
and now you are upset because they are a bunch of mucking fuppets with no idea of governance

 

[durhamplumber]

reductio ad absurdum

You should know Notch,,you spew it every day

 

[durhamplumber]

You were convinced you were voting for the 'will of the people'

We did ,,we won.

 

[durhamplumber]

and now you are upset because they are a bunch of mucking fuppets with no idea of governance

Way to go Notchy,,,let all that pent up hate out,,,vent your spleen,,might feel happier.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Re. NHS absenteeism. There is high absenteeism throughout the public sector, the reason being nobody ever gets sacked.

Re. NHS staff becoming sick. Surely this comes with the job and has done since hospitals began.

Re. Demand for ICU beds not being as high as predicted: This must mean that the lockdown can be lifted because the intention of the lockdown was to protect the NHS from inundations.

 

[Notch7]

We did ,,we won.

you haven't won anything though, have you?