Populism, from a Political Philosophical viewpoint.

[Notch7]

2019 Tory election campaign used the strategies of Steve Bannon who got Trump into power.

Populism uses emotive slogans to manipulate.

This country needs to end FPTP to stop it

 

[Brigadier]

I could very easily list a dozen right wing libertarian Brexit propaganda sites spouting endless lies, Im not sure I could find left wing sites so easily.

You don't need a lot of sites, just one very popular one.

And, let's face it, "right wing libertarian Brexit propaganda sites" are most likely only going to attract and hold those who's views are that way inclined, in the first place.

 

[durhamplumber]

could very easily list a dozen right wing libertarian Brexit propaganda sites spouting endless lies, Im not sure I could find left wing sites so easily.

No need Notchy...Labour balls it up themselves.

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

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[gasbanni]

An excellent article I happened upon. Granted it was in an article about Brexit, but I don't think this philosophical viewpoint refers only to Brexit. It can be relevant in multiple cases of history going awry.

The German historian Helene von Bismarck doubted Brexit would end what she described as a very British brand of populism. “British populism is a political method, not an ideology, and it does not become redundant with Brexit,” she said.

Von Bismarck identified two key elements in this method: an emotionalisation and over-simplification of highly complex issues, such as Brexit, the Covid pandemic or migration, and a reliance on bogeymen or enemies at home and abroad.

“Populists depend on enemies, real or imagined, to legitimise their actions and deflect from their own shortcomings,” she said. If the EU has been the “enemy abroad” since 2016, it will steadily be replaced by “enemies within”: MPs, civil servants, judges, lawyers, experts, the BBC.

“Individuals and institutions who dare to limit the power of the executive, even if it is just by asking questions, are at constant risk of being denounced as ‘activists’” by the Johnson government, Von Bismarck said. “Everyone has political motives – except for the government, which seeks to define ‘neutrality’.”

Brexit itself is being framed as “the grand departure, the moment the UK is finally free and sovereign, when all problems can be solved with common sense and optimism – justifying a more ‘pragmatic’ approach to rules, constitutional conventions and institutions” that actually amounts to a “worrying disregard for the rule of law”.

“British populism” would continue, she said, especially when the real, hard consequences of the pandemic and Brexit started to bite.

“It is naive to expect a political style which ridicules complexity, presents people with bogeymen to despise, and prides itself on ‘doing what it necessary’ even if ‘elites’ and institutions get in the way, to lose its appeal in times of hardship,” she said.
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The article goes on to quote a senoir research fellow from the Jacques Delor Institute (granted an advocat for EU integration), but some of the observations are profound:

Elvire Fabry, of France’s Institut Jacques Delors, said the past four years had shown Europeans and Britons “just how little we really knew each other”. They had also revealed, she said, the fragility of a parliamentary system seen by many on the continent as a point of reference.

“It’s been difficult for us to anticipate, at times even to interpret, what’s happened” in the UK, Fabry said. “The direction Johnson has taken the Conservative party in – we didn’t see that coming. The course he’s setting for the country. The polarisation. And the way MPs have been bypassed since he became prime minister ….”

Most striking of all, she said, was how the politics prevailing in Britain had become “detached from geopolitical reality – from the way the world is developing. It’s a political vision turned towards yesterday’s world. Ideological. The way the trade deal focused on goods at the expense of services … It’s not the way the world’s going.”

Painful as the Brexit process may have been for Europeans, however, it had at least demonstrated “the reality and value of the single market, its rules and norms, and of the EU’s basis in law”, Fabry said. “Those are at the heart of the European identity – and defending them has given the union a new political maturity.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...pDSM-PwY9LFIUX4fyx0R6GI-a8QmGKwfztgF5hXceWXXI​

Oh dear Oh dear Oh dear ........really ...excellent....you say ....do me a Soddin favour .......you can see the problem with it can't you ?

 

[Notch7]

You don't need a lot of sites, just one very popular one.

And, let's face it, "right wing libertarian Brexit propaganda sites" are most likely only going to attract and hold those who's views are that way inclined, in the first place.

Investigation finds ‘88% of Tory ads misleading compared to 0% for Labour


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/10/inve...ading-compared-0-labour-11651802/?ito=cbshare

 

[Notch7]

You don't need a lot of sites, just one very popular one.

And, let's face it, "right wing libertarian Brexit propaganda sites" are most likely only going to attract and hold those who's views are that way inclined, in the first place.

Channel 4 News has exclusively obtained a vast cache of data used by Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign on almost 200 million American voters.

It reveals that 3.5 million Black Americans were categorised by Donald Trump’s campaign as ‘Deterrence’ – voters they wanted to stay home on election day.

Tonight, civil rights campaigners said the evidence amounted to a new form of voter “suppression” and called on Facebook to disclose ads and targeting information that has never been made public.

 

[durhamplumber]

the reality and value of the single market, its rules and norms, and of the EU’s basis in law”, Fabry said. “Those are at the heart of the European identity – and defending them has given the union a new political maturity.”

Like you...A lot of words but very little substance.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

...you can see the problem with it can't you ?

I'd be pleased to hear your views.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Like you...A lot of words but very little substance.

This is a discussion, not a competition of insults.
If you can't discuss the issue in a meaningful way, kindly refrain from commenting.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

This country needs to end FPTP to stop it

I dare to stick my neck out and claim that no recent (say 50 years) UK government has ever won the popular vote.
If anyone has any data to prove me wrong, I'd accept it.

 

[durhamplumber]

This is a discussion, not a competition of insults.
If you can't discuss the issue in a meaningful way, kindly refrain from commenting.

Dream on...Free country Razzler...Not your dictatorship...So,with the greatest respect,swivel on it.

 

[Notch7]

No need Notchy...Labour balls it up themselves.

That still doesn't excuse right wing populism, gaslighting the public.

 

[Vinty]

Jeremy Corbyn was a product of populism.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Jeremy Corbyn was a product of populism.

Probably. His emergence was against all odds, yet he became leader of the party most likely to stand as the the one with the most integrity (whatever you think of his politics), and the one most opposed to populism (you could argue that Blair et al, was more reliant on populism).
So. yes, due to the rise of populism in UK politics, Corbyn emerged as the one most likely to oppose it, and the one least likely to exploit it, at that time, and from the list of prospective candidates.
Try this for a read about Corbyn:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/23/the-astonishing-rise-of-jeremy-corbyn