2.3m people

[motorbiking]

On the news tonight it said that we have administered more doses of the vaccine than the whole of the combined EU countries have. We must be doing something right!

Whole of Europe I think was the quote.

I read "The government aims to offer vaccines to everyone in the top four of these priority groups by mid-February - around 13 million people."

and group 5 is "over-65's"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55045639

but the numbers and target dates seem to change.

Going on the age U.K. figures we should be about half way through the over 80s. But my guess is a lot of healthcare workers are part of those vaccine numbers.

 

[williamglossop]

Yeah, just look how all those other worldwide vaccines haven’t worked over the years.

Well, time will tell. I have never wanted to be more wrong, but I'm pessimistically confident in my prediction. Masks, SD and restrictions on who we can see, small business closures and near total destruction of pubs and entertainment..... vaccine or not, this is where we'll be in Jan 2022.

 

[ellal]

Well, time will tell. I have never wanted to be more wrong, but I'm pessimistically confident in my prediction. Masks, SD and restrictions on who we can see, small business closures and near total destruction of pubs and entertainment..... vaccine or not, this is where we'll be in Jan 2022.

It'll be longer than that...

Matt Hancock: "Britons are 'highly likely' to need a Covid vaccination every year for the 'foreseeable' future"

Which will of course probably mean that the 'emergency legislation' will also be conveniently extended for the 'foreseeable' future...

Thus furthering rule by decree
(and control by fear)

Local elections are also looking likely to be postponed yet again, so who knows what will happen to the date of the next general election!

 

[Brigadier]

It'll be longer than that...

Matt Hancock: "Britons are 'highly likely' to need a Covid vaccination every year for the 'foreseeable' future"

I was having this very conversation this morning, with a friend who's wife is vulnerable and shielding.

Time will tell, but the scientists I heard a few weeks ago were speculating that the vaccine would probably need annual boosting.

Think about that, wrt the UK: 75 million people. That's 1.5 million vaccinations per week, every week.
That cannot be done as it is currently being administered, while maintaining any other semblance of an NHS.

My guess would be that (if it does need to be an annual top-up), it'll be bunged into your shoulder at your dentists (during routine check-up), at the physio (when you go for that poorly shoulder), as well as via the more obvious routes.
That, or hope for a longer-lived vaccine (or a de-evolution of the 'rona to something like a cold).

 

[sxturbo]

I think in time they will treat the Corona jab like the flu jab at the moment, older people and the vulnerable will be offered it, the rest of us will have to make do, and rely on eventual some form of herd immunity.

 

[Bodgedbuild]

I think in time they will treat the Corona jab like the flu jab at the moment, older people and the vulnerable will be offered it, the rest of us will have to make do, and rely on eventual some form of herd immunity.

Anybody can get a flu jab for around a tenner at Boots/Llloyds etc. The Oxford vaccine is cheap and easy to transport so I doubt it would be an issue in the long term. As you rightly say, around 14million people already get a flu jab each year anyway.

 

[Brigadier]

Anybody can get a flu jab for around a tenner at Boots/Llloyds etc. The Oxford vaccine is cheap and easy to transport so I doubt it would be an issue in the long term. As you rightly say, around 14million people already get a flu jab each year anyway.

And around 17000 die of the flu each year too.
This must be an acceptable number, otherwise "we'd" be being asked / compelled to do more / something else.

 

[Bodgedbuild]

And around 17000 die of the flu each year too.
This must be an acceptable number, otherwise "we'd" be being asked / compelled to do more / something else.

I know a lot of older people because of a village help group I do work for, I'd say a lot less than half ever get a flu jab because they either can't be bothered, don't think it would affect them etc. Less people would die if more were vaccinated but it is free choice as is the Covid jab.

 

[williamglossop]

I think that most people have a kind of 'end point' in mind, in terms of their adherence to restrictions - and most are accepting their fate in the hope that it will be short term pain for long term normality. Most people believe we will start heading back to normal by spring and into summer. When that doesn't happen, people will start to question the government's approach more and more. That will be when they announce a new more virulent, more pathogenic strain. The fear will ramp up, and people will roll over once again and we'll all have to give up our liberties while they 'tweak' the vaccine.

 

[Bodgedbuild]

I think that most people have a kind of 'end point' in mind, in terms of their adherence to restrictions - and most are accepting their fate in the hope that it will be short term pain for long term normality. Most people believe we will start heading back to normal by spring and into summer. When that doesn't happen, people will start to question the government's approach more and more. That will be when they announce a new more virulent, more pathogenic strain. The fear will ramp up, and people will roll over once again and we'll all have to give up our liberties while they 'tweak' the vaccine.

There was a significant opening up this summer, Rishi Sunak even paid a lot towards my meals out! When you say "Government" do you mean just UK or all of the Governments around the entire Globe? Are they all working together on this?

 

[Brigadier]

I think that most people have a kind of 'end point' in mind, in terms of their adherence to restrictions - and most are accepting their fate in the hope that it will be short term pain for long term normality. Most people believe we will start heading back to normal by spring and into summer. When that doesn't happen, people will start to question the government's approach more and more. That will be when they announce a new more virulent, more pathogenic strain. The fear will ramp up, and people will roll over once again and we'll all have to give up our liberties while they 'tweak' the vaccine.

I too have my suspicions in regard to the italicised bit

 

[williamglossop]

There was a significant opening up this summer, Rishi Sunak even paid a lot towards my meals out! When you say "Government" do you mean just UK or all of the Governments around the entire Globe? Are they all working together on this?

I suspect the government believe it too.... its the only way it works. Boris is over a barrel and SAGE are stood behind him. We've been ushered into a 'new normal' and there is no way back for Boz n his peers.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The 'vaccine' won't change a thing..... we will still be living like this in 12 months.

Although I'm hoping 2021 won't be as challenging as 2020 given we've at least started with vaccinations, I do reckon 2021 will still pretty much be a washout, although hopefully in an ever decreasing sense. It'll probably be 2022 before we see any sense of true normality return for the masses, business etc.

 

[charliegolf]

Which will of course probably mean that the 'emergency legislation' will also be conveniently extended for the 'foreseeable' future...

Thus furthering rule by decree
(and control by fear)

Can't say I have found the 'emergency legislation' associated with ongoing flu vaccines caused by new strains causing many problems, tbh.

 

[Bodgedbuild]

I too have my suspicions in regard to the italicised bit

I work in a small control room, it is covered 24/7 by four shifts. In the first Covid wave, nobody was infected, in this wave, 2 complete shifts became infected (except 1 person). The SAGE committee/Government, might actually be on to something....