Democracy? What kind of democracy is this?

[Vinty]

It will, it's just a matter of time...

The tide has turned already!

And of course you have just made the case for a Scottish Indyref2

Self Determination

And of course you have just made the case for a Scottish Indyref2

The Scots already had a referendum a few years ago but if they want another humiliation that is their right.
The case for Ireland is different, any border poll would not be about independence but annexation of terrority which historically never belonged to the Irish Republic.
That is why it would be problematic to even consider a border poll at this time.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Protestants#:~:text=Ulster Protestants are an ethnoreligious,early 17th century Ulster Plantation.
They are also known as the Scotch/Irish in America.
https://www.historytoday.com/miscellanies/how-northern-england-made-southern-united-states

They may be considered as an ethnoreligious group in other countries, but they're not recognised as an ethnic minority in NI. That description referred to the original colonists from England and Scotland. It doesn't apply now, unless there any survivors of the original colonists. As they'd be over 300 years old, I think it's safe to assume that there aren't. And they definitely don't have any right , as Irish protestants (or English or Scottish), to self-determination. They have an equal vote as any other religious group or ethnicity in NI.

But I see you are surpassing Durhamplumber now for your lack of inconsistency.
The other day you were claiming that Ireland created Scotland. Now you are presenting reports that NI protestants emanated from Scotland.
Moreover, your reports suggests that protestants forced the indigenous Irish off their lands:

This was the colonisation of the Gaelic, Catholic province of Ulster by English-speaking Protestants from Great Britain, mostly from the Scottish Lowlands ...
Many more Scottish Protestant migrants arrived in Ulster in the late 17th century
The Ulster Protestant community emerged during the Plantation of Ulster. This was the colonisation of Ulster with loyal English-speaking Protestants from Great Britain under the reign of King James....
Most of the land colonised was confiscated from the native Irish.​

Those reports suggest that the protestants created all the conflict. English Imperialism again causing conflict.

You seem to believe that a black or brown face is required to considered an ethnic minority.

Don't be ridiculous.
You seem to believe that an ethnic minority in one country is automatically an ethnic minority everywhere, and for evermore.
An ethnic minority can be the indigenous people or they can be migrants.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

One point i would agree with you on is that the Roman Catholic community is more closely related ethnically with the Ulster Protestant community than their Co religionists in the RoI.

I never said anything like what you suggest.

the Roman Catholic community is more closely related ethnically with the Ulster Protestant community than their Co religionists in the RoI.

Are there any cultural differences between Irish and NI people?
Do they eat different food, do they sing different songs, do they have a different history, do they have different social structures, do they look different, do they speak a different language, do they work different patterns, do they dress differently, do they have different Gods/religions, etc, etc.
If the answer to these questions is no, then they share the same culture, and are the same ethnicity.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The case for Ireland is different, any border poll would not be about independence but annexation of terrority which historically never belonged to the Irish Republic.

Then who did it belong to?
Who did Scotland belong to?
Who did Wales belong to?

Did England think one day, I know let's divide England into four different nations. What'll we call 'em? How about ScotLAND because that's where the Scots are? And how about IreLAND because that's where the Irish are?
What shall we call that bit out West with all the hills and mountains?

 

[JohnD]

The case for Ireland is different, any border poll would not be about independence but annexation of terrority which historically never belonged to the Irish Republic.

I see your mistake.

It's easily fixed

"terrority which historically never belonged to the Irish"

of course it did.

 

[ellal]

The case for Ireland is different, any border poll would not be about independence but annexation of terrority which historically never belonged to the Irish Republic.

So who did Ireland belong to?

And you've got that 'annexation' argument a rse about face!
(does 1801 ring a bell ?

You obviously also know nothing about 'partition'...

 

[Vinty]

I see your mistake.

It's easily fixed

"terrority which historically never belonged to the Irish"

of course it did.

No it didn't, Eastern Ulster belonged to the Scots for 1000's of years.

 

[JohnD]

never

nonsense

 

[Vinty]

I never said anything like what you suggest.


Are there any cultural differences between Irish and NI people?
Do they eat different food, do they sing different songs, do they have a different history, do they have different social structures, do they look different, do they speak a different language, do they work different patterns, do they dress differently, do they have different Gods/religions, etc, etc.
If the answer to these questions is no, then they share the same culture, and are the same ethnicity.

The Irish themselves claim to be a separate ethnicity to the British.
So it works both ways.

 

[Vinty]

Are there any cultural differences between Irish and NI people?

Are there any cultural differences between the English and the Irish.
If not that would make the make the English Irish then.

 

[Vinty]

That description referred to the original colonists from England and Scotland

The original colonists became a distinct identity just as the original British colonists in America became American.

 

[EFLImpudence]

...and before that, the colonists in England became English. That was the secret of their success - unlike The Borg.

Everyone forgets that and blames "The English" who were themselves colonised and had their country stolen.

 

[Vinty]

Some people believe that because Ireland is an Island then every one on that Island should be exactly the same.
GB is an Island but it has 3 distinct nations existing on the same Island.
Would it be acceptable to suggest that the Scots and Welsh even though they are virtually indistinguishable from the English, that they should have their national identity erased and be redefined as English just because they share an Island.

 

[Vinty]

Are there any cultural differences between Irish and NI people

What are the cultural differences between the Scots and the English.
As i can see virtually no cultural diffences between the two, should Scotland not be renamed Northern England.

 

[EFLImpudence]

What are the cultural differences between the Scots and the English.
As i can see virtually no cultural diffences between the two,

You can't have looked very far.