Cecil Rhodes staying after all

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I understand your point, today, right now the slavery of the past has little or nothing to do with someone say applying for a job or going out for a meal.

But it does, the racism and ensuing discrimination, that excused, justified and defended the black African slave trade still exists today.

 

[SirGalahad]

But it does, the racism and ensuing discrimination, that excused, justified and defended the black African slave trade still exists today.

In instiutions and the language and references we use - but the point is - progress has been made - in your opinion perhaps more progress needs to be made?

 

[Munroast]

And then there is current day Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa

and trump was criticised for the term **** hole states....

....once it was no longer profitable.

But not before.

African leaders pleaded with us not to stop the trade as it was a major source of their wealth.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

African leaders pleaded with us not to stop the trade as it was a major source of their wealth.

Is this from the Trumpian encyclopedia? It would suggest that slave traders bought their slaves from Africa.
Perhaps you would be good enough to provide a source of your information, or even to name one of these African leaders of the time?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

In instiutions and the language and references we use - but the point is - progress has been made - in your opinion perhaps more progress needs to be made?

I would agree that in society, in UK, in general, progress has been made. It's taken legislation to change hardened attitudes and endemic cultures. but we have a long, long way to go. And hardened attitudes are still perpetuated, cultivated, taught and are endemic in some organisations.

 

[JohnD]

African leaders pleaded with us not to stop the trade as it was a major source of their wealth.

It would be interesting to see the evidence for your claim, and to know who you consider to be "leaders."

 

[JohnD]

But we shouldn't even be discussing slavery from 200 years ago (which the UK had abolished)

It did not become illegal to own a slave in Scotland until 1778.

Until then it had been fashionable for wealthy families to have a young 'black boy' or girl 'attending' on them.

Scottish newspapers, such as the 'Edinburgh Evening Courant [Shelfmark: GIVB.2/20(1-)] and the 'Caledonian Mercury' [Shelfmark: GIVB.2/23-24] from the 1740s to the 1770s, carried adverts offering 'slaves for sale' or rewards for the capture of 'escaped slaves'.



Advert for sale of a slave. 'Edinburgh Advertiser'. Edinburgh, 20 January 1769. [Library shelfmark: GIVB.2/56(1-3)]

There were also a number of Scots who defended the slave trade, such as:

• Archibald Dalzel (1740-circa 1811) of Kirkliston, ran a number of slaving depots in West Africa. As a result of his experience he wrote 'History of Dahomy, an inland kingdom of Africa; compiled from authentic memoirs' (London, 1793) [Shelfmark: E.151.a.10].
  
• James MacQueen (1778-1870) was manager of a sugar plantation in Grenada around 1800. In the 1820s he became editor of the 'Glasgow Courier' [Shelfmark: GIVB.2/22(6)]. This paper favoured West Indian merchant interests and opposed any rights for slaves.

Munroist remains hard-hearted.

 

[SirGalahad]

And then there is current day Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa

and trump was criticised for the term **** hole states....



African leaders pleaded with us not to stop the trade as it was a major source of their wealth.

It takes two to tango and conveniently forgetting the Western involvement in Africa to support pliant dictators or to rob a country of its promising leaders really is a level of revisionism bordering on the psychotic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36303327

Four more ways the CIA has meddled in Africa

 

[jeds]

That's odd. Why did other countries bother with it for many years after the UK banned it, if it was not profitable?

That's a very good point. France, for instance, one of the worst slavers, although for some reason seem to duck under the covers when mentioned, carried on for years after the British abolished slavery. Presumably they weren't making a loss.

 

[Munroast]

It takes two to tango and conveniently forgetting the Western involvement in Africa to support pliant dictators or to rob a country of its promising leaders really is a level of revisionism bordering on the psychotic.

Absolutely it takes two to tango, no one is denying european involvement in the slave trade, how could we, we are brow beaten with this daily - what seems to be most conveniently ignored by the virtue signallers is the massive involvement that africa played in this horrible trade.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zxt3gk7/revision/7

It would appear Africa has been the birthplace of slavery, long before we ever set foot there, and still going strong today;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

That's a very good point. France, for instance, ....although for some reason seem to duck under the covers when mentioned, carried on for years after the British abolished slavery.

Yep, for 13 years. But they don't duck under the covers. France faces up to its historical atrocities, and teaches history in all its aspects, in schools.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

That's a very good point. France, for instance, one of the worst slavers,

Any reputable source to back up that nonsensical claim?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It would appear Africa has been the birthplace of slavery, long before we ever set foot there, and still going strong today;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century

Don't be silly, humanity was the birthplace of slavery from the mists of time. It's even mentioned in the bible.
Slavery is still practised in just about every country on earth.

 

[^woody^]

The whole agenda for the slave trade to be dragged up over and over and more and more is for the claims of reparations that will gather momentum. Ker-ching.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

just as we got to a point where very few really gave a monkey's about skin colour.

So you realise that youre in a minority...