UK Australia Trade Deal

[Mottie]

Mottie you old sod - this are NI supermarkets not UK ones.

They will drop uk suppliers.

Won’t affect us then will it. Go back to bed.

 

[SirGalahad]

Won’t affect us then will it. Go back to bed.

Which reminds me of one of my favourite jokes.

patient: Dr I have a s-hit everyday at 8am, no fail.

Dr: That's brilliant, at your age.

patient: Problem is I wake up at 9am.

Weekend is here.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So you or I won’t be affected then? We'll still be able to continue buying what we have been buying won’t we.

And the UK will keep breaking the Agreements that it signed.
Did it ever have any intention to keep that Agreement? It's looking like it never did.

 

[Mottie]

And the UK will keep breaking the Agreements that it signed.
Did it ever have any intention to keep that Agreement? It's looking like it never did.

Well you should be laughing then living in Euroland - think of all the cheap food you’ll be enjoying when because you lot can’t send it over here! Anyway, that’s not a reply to my question that Galahad swerved about exactly how you have been personally affected.

 

[SirGalahad]

Well you should be laughing then living in Euroland - think of all the cheap food you’ll be enjoying when because you lot can’t send it over here! Anyway, that’s not a reply to my question that Galahad swerved about exactly how you have been personally affected.

You old duffer its about NI and why should everything be about my personl experiences?

Do you take HRT for menopause? Well as you don't then screw women who do - your logic is absurd.

Using your logic how did Europeans affect your life directly.

 

[Mottie]

Do you take HRT for menopause? Well as you don't then screw women who do - your logic is absurd.

Lesser people on here would squeal you up for that sexist comment and get you banned from the thread. I did start a thread on sexual abuse last night after getting banned from a thread for calling someone 'luv' and telling them 'not to get their knickers in a twist' but even the thread has been deemed too sexist and removed. It’ll be interesting to see whether the mods pick up on your disgracefully sexist comment.

 

[SirGalahad]

Lesser people on here would squeal you up for that sexist comment and get you banned from the thread. I did start a thread on sexual abuse last night after getting banned from a thread for calling someone 'luv' and telling them 'not to get their knickers in a twist' but even the thread has been deemed too sexist and removed. It’ll be interesting to see whether the mods pick up on your disgracefully sexist comment.

Getting woke in your old age.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

So you or I won’t be affected then?

Is that all that matters? Thats your attitude? "Im all right Jack"? If it doesnt affect you then so what?

So, lets see..

Tell me, some people who follow the Islamic faith seem to think it's ok to oppress women and beat them. Or what about honour beatings/killings? You now telling me that because of the circumstances they were born into (their faith) that it's acceptable

Simply not acceptable. Why do you think I’d say any different

Well - I would expect you to say different because you arent affected by oppression of women, or honour beatings and killings.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Well you should be laughing then living in Euroland - think of all the cheap food you’ll be enjoying when because you lot can’t send it over here! Anyway, that’s not a reply to my question that Galahad swerved about exactly how you have been personally affected.

It's much more serious than about who is not able to buy what.
It's about Boris signing an Agreement which he had and has no intention of respecting.
Ordinarily it wouldn't matter a great deal, but in this instance it does matter a great deal.
Boris/UK is seeking to shift the onus onto EU to police it's own border, where it actually exists, between Ireland/EU and NI/UK.
The NI protocol was designed to avoid that, but Boris/UK is forcing the EU to create a border on the island of Ireland, by breaking the NI Protocol.

The NI Protocol relied on UK policing the quasi-border in the Irish Sea, on behalf of the EU. EU cannot police it, it has to be UK. EU can provide some inspection to ensure the border is actually policed properly, under the terms of the NI Protocol.
If the UK refuses to operate that border as agreed, the EU will be faced with a choice of re-creating the border between Ireland and NI, or throwing Ireland under the proverbial bus.

It takes about 18 months for the legal process, started by EU, to be completed. I can see UK dragging its heels as much as possible hoping that something will turn up to save its bacon, sorry, sausage.
So the crisis will occur about the end of 2022, two years before the next election.

Brexit isn't done, there's loads of stuff left over, and hopefully it all turn out OK. Otherwise it's going to get very messy.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Boris/UK is seeking to shift the onus onto EU to police it's own border, where it actually exists, between Ireland/EU and NI/UK.

In general terms that is perfectly OK.

If two countries, A & B, have a border, and the attitude of A is that they have absolutely no restrictions on what or who enters their territory from B, so they dont want to check passports or visas, they dont want to check goods, they dont want to search people or vehicles, they dont want to collect duties or taxes, etc, etc, then why would A invest in any border policing of any sort?

If it was only B that had restrictions/controls/checks on goods and people entering B from A then it would surely be down to only B to police the flow of goods and people in that direction?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

In general terms that is perfectly OK.

If two countries, A & B, have a border, and the attitude of A is that they have absolutely no restrictions on what or who enters their territory from B, so they dont want to check passports or visas, they dont want to check goods, they dont want to search people or vehicles, they dont want to collect duties or taxes, etc, etc, then why would A invest in any border policing of any sort?

If it was only B that had restrictions/controls/checks on goods and people entering B from A then it would surely be down to only B to police the flow of goods and people in that direction?

But then the only answer is to re-create the Ireland - NI border, with all of its potential problems, because the UK refuses to properly implement the protocol.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Well - lets see the UK allow a situation where they allow total unfettered unchecked unmonitored freedom of movement of absolutely everyone and everything across the border from the RoI into the UK.

Then, and only then, will we be able to point the finger at the EU and say "its your border, not ours".

And then there will also be wonderful opportunities for businesses in the RoI to act as import/export agencies to get anything and everything shipped into the UK without any let or hindrance from us.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Well - lets see the UK allow a situation where they allow total unfettered unchecked unmonitored freedom of movement of absolutely everyone and everything across the border from the RoI into the UK.

Then, and only then, will we be able to point the finger at the EU and say "its your border, not ours".

And then there will also be wonderful opportunities for businesses in the RoI to act as import/export agencies to get anything and everything shipped into the UK without any let or hindrance from us.

I agree that would be the reality, But the finger-pointing, political blaming and media headlines will tell peddle a different narrative.

 

[Vinty]

then the only answer is to re-create the Ireland - NI border, with all of its potential problems, because the UK refuses to properly implement the protocol

Common sense really.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

So Brexit was going to reduce EU red tape? Hmm. More tradeless friction.