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[JohnD]

Since the term is used to describe men including those who are biologically, genetically and anatomically male; who have made no change to their dress or behaviour; who have had no surgical or hormonal alterations; and who have carried out no "transition"; and even a few who are rapists

but have only uttered the magic words "I am a woman."

and are you content with that TRA definition?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I also readily accept the proposition ... that some, and perhaps many, women prisoners may suffer fear and acute anxiety if required to share prison accommodation and facilities with a transgender women who has male genitalia, and that their fear and anxiety may be increased if that transgender woman has been convicted of sexual or violent offences against women."

.. "readily accept the proposition ... that some, and perhaps many, women prisoners may suffer fear and acute anxiety if required to share prison accommodation and facilities with a transgender women who has male genitalia, and that their fear and anxiety may be increased if that transgender woman has been convicted of sexual or violent offences against women."

You've redacted some words from the quote (again), but at least you have indicated that you have done so this time.
Can you provide a link to your source so that we can see the whole comment in it's unadulterated form?
Then we are in a position to judge if you have redacted the words that fundamentally change the semantics of the quote.

But otherwise, as Captain Nemesis has said, the judge merely expresses his recognition of what some may opine.
As Captain Nemesis has said, and I have said before, of course there is a risk of violent offenders, reoffending in prisons. That risk needs to be properly managed., whether it is sexually violent offenders, or non-sexually violent offenders.

You avoided discussing the issue of sexually violent transgender male prisoners, who have transitioned from a woman, being kept in woman's prisons, because in your view, they are and will always remain women.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

and are you content with that TRA definition?

Post it up, including the source of your information, and we'll discuss it.
Are you content with Christian's/Muslim's/Jew's/Buddhists, Vegan's/Vegetarian's rights, etc?

 

[Mottie]

This thread is a load of bollocx or maybe not.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

This thread is a load of bollocx or maybe not.

Don't fanny about, 'cos you're getting on my tits.
Genitally speaking, this is a subject that isn't just black or white, there are more than 50 shades of grey to be considered.

 

[JohnD]

And yet, there is such a thing as a "woman," it is not an imaginary construction.

And by saying the magic words, "I am a woman" a man does not become one.

if you seriously believe the are 50 different grades of human, you will have to think of 50 different names for them.

"Man" and "Woman" have already been taken.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

You are approaching all of this from the point of view of an an ignorant and bigoted denial of scientific facts which you happen not to like.

Over and over again you demonstrate an unwavering dedication to denying any non-binary state.

Everything you have to say is actually just about you preaching your Doctrine of Binary.

Just like the way the world will never become flat no matter how often or how strenuously the deluded claim it is, your refutation of facts will not cause them to go away.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Don't fanny about, 'cos you're getting on my tits.

In the interests of balance, shouldnt that have been "Dont dick about, ..."?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Are you content with Christian's/Muslim's/Jew's/Buddhists, Vegan's/Vegetarian's rights, etc?

Aren't your analogies the wrong way round?

No one is saying anyone's personal rights should be denied, but you are saying a person from one group should automatically be admitted to another group and that that group must accommodate the differing views.


Should a person take his own meat when invited to a vegetarian household for dinner?

Can a person who eats fish be a vegetarian; let alone a vegan?

 

[JohnD]

You are approaching all of this from the point of view of .

But you are approaching all of this from the point of view of a person who thinks there is no such thing as a "woman," and thai is it is just a meaningless word that can be applied to anybody who feels like it.

You are wrong on both counts.

Your refutation of facts will not cause them to go away.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

But you are approaching all of this from the point of view of a person who thinks there is no such thing as a "woman," and thai is it is just a meaningless word that can be applied to anybody who feels like it.

No, but because of the intellectual bankrupcy of your position you are compelled to argue in those equally false binary terms.

 

[JohnD]

While Nemesis forces his way into the annual dinner of the Vegan Society, with a pork pie in one hand, and a raw steak in the other, demanding they are prepared and served to him, because, he declares "I am a vegan."

There are fifty shades of vegan, he just happens to be one that eats meat.

 

[JohnD]

intellectual bankrupcy

There is no intellectual bankruptcy in asserting that there is such a thing as a "woman."

 

[Captain Nemesis]

While Nemesis forces his way into the annual dinner of the Vegan Society, with a pork pie in one hand, and a raw steak in the other, demanding they are prepared and served to him, because, he declares "I am a vegan."

There are fifty shades of vegan, he just happens to be one that eats meat.

The intellectual bankrupcy of your position compels you to argue in those equally false binary terms.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

There is no intellectual bankruptcy in asserting that there is such a thing as a "woman."

The intellectual bankrupcy of your opposition to scientific facts compels you make that assertion in a spirit of non-negotiable terms of discussion. Your assertion is based on a false belief in a binary-only reality.