Antivaxxers become sensible

[Deleted member 18243]

It does apply the other way round, a much larger proportion are dying/ spending serious time in hospital as a result of covid, who have not had the vaccine.

No, Harry, no. That's not what I mean.

A death is recorded as being caused by covid if a person dies within 28 days after a positive test for covid. Even if they died of something else, were extremely old, didn't have covid symptoms, got run over by a bus or simply "would have died anyway". It's as if someone is trying to falsify the covid death figures upwards.

Whereas...

When a person dies after having a covid vaccine, the death is attributed to anything but the vaccine, as if someone is trying to falsify the vaccine death figures downwards. Nothing to see here, move along please!

Why the discrepancy in attributing the deaths? That is the question.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

A death is recorded as being caused by covid if a person dies within 28 days after a positive test for covid. Even if they died of something else, were extremely old, didn't have covid symptoms, got run over by a bus or simply "would have died anyway".

The only exception being George Floyd. He had covid at the time of his death but the death was attributed to something else.

 

[IT Minion]

When a person dies after having a covid vaccine, the death is attributed to anything but the vaccine, as if someone is trying to falsify the vaccine death figures downwards. Nothing to see here, move along please!

Why the discrepancy in attributing the deaths? That is the question.

There are no official counts of deaths following vaccines. Typically because they're so small it's impossible to count.

Where there are serious side effects, like the clotting issues, they are calculated from the yellow card numbers and other sources.

But you've been told this half a dozen times or more and keep Ignoring it.

 

[Notch7]

Why the discrepancy in attributing the deaths? That is the question

there isnt a discrepancy, its a s simple as that

person dies within 28 days after a positive test for covid. Even if they died of something else, were extremely old, didn't have covid symptoms

1)the ONS publish figures for how many died from covid

Deaths involving and due to COVID-19, England and Wales, deaths registered in 2020 and 2021

Deaths involving COVID-19
133,096

Deaths due to COVID-19
119,728


2) died after vaccine:

9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines. This is the number of deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine, however they will not have been fully investigated at the time of reporting and a report is not proof of causation. So, the numbers are likely to be a big overestimate.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

When a person dies after having a covid vaccine, the death is attributed to anything but the vaccine, as if someone is trying to falsify the vaccine death figures downwards. Nothing to see here, move along please!

Why the discrepancy in attributing the deaths? That is the question.

It isn't, quite simply you are making it up..

 

[denso13]

A death is recorded as being caused by covid if a person dies within 28 days after a positive test for covid. Even if they died of something else, were extremely old, didn't have covid symptoms, got run over by a bus or simply "would have died anyway".

That's nonsense and completely wrong. It has been explained several times but you don't want to know.

 

[JohnD]

He knows that, but he wants to keep spreading vague rumours to create Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Deaths involving COVID-19
133,096

Deaths due to COVID-19
119,728

So, they have separated the actual deaths from the "28 day" deaths hmmm - is this to make the figures look more honest? Previously, we were only told about the 28 day deaths. What was the 28 day business all about, if not deception?

Assuming the figure of 119,728 deaths is correct, how does it compare to other years, especially in years of bad flu outbreaks? I'd only accept figures as a percentage of the then population, otherwise there is no comparison.

9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines

I've quoted this information a few times in recent weeks and was accused of lying each time. Obviously it's OK when you say it!

 

[noseall]

I've quoted this information a few times in recent weeks.

If you were to inject several million of people with water, you would expect those numbers to occur regardless.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

If you were to inject several million of people with water, you would expect those numbers to occur regardless.

I see your point, but if you had injected those millions for no reason other than to make money from them the deaths would be murder.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

If you were to inject several million of people with water, you would expect those numbers to occur regardless.

Also, I quoted that principle to you the other week when discussing alcohol vs drugs, but you said I was wrong.

 

[ellal]

There are no official counts of deaths following vaccines. Typically because they're so small it's impossible to count.

So if there are no official counts, how can you claim 'they're so small it's impossible to count'?
How many jabbed ones have died with covid?

No figures again?

And yet so many are happy to believe anything they are spoon fed without question!

 

[John the plumber]

That's nonsense and completely wrong. It has been explained several times but you don't want to know.

Priceless.

 

[IT Minion]

So if there are no official counts, how can you claim 'they're so small it's impossible to count'?
How many jabbed ones have died with covid?

No figures again?

And yet so many are happy to believe anything they are spoon fed without question!

Tell me, how many people in the UK died as a result of the highly publicised Clotting issue with the Astra Zenica vaccine.

 

[noseall]

I see your point, but if you had injected those millions for no reason other than to make money from them the deaths would be murder.

Dead people are no use to a pharmaceutical company. If anything, they cost them money.